Posts Tagged ‘Moslem’

NUM 23: 19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

This verse has been held up countless times by anti Christian opponents as proof that God cannot become a man.  Now as a Christian we believe in a triune being.  Father the son and the Holy Spirit.  God the son became a man born of a woman and took on human nature.    In which Jesus was both fully God and fully man.

Col 2: 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

Rom 1: 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

So the question arises does this verse in Numbers dispute the verses in the New Testament?

If we simply take the first line and do what Moslems and other try to do and quote

“ GOD IS NOT A MAN” 

Now if the verse stopped there, then possibly there may be a slim glimmer of an argument.  But as you can see it does not.  Because the verse itself goes on to say:

“GOD IS NOT A MAN THAT HE SHOULD LIE.”

Notice what the verse is actually saying and not what some have made it to say.  Such is the dishonesty of those whose hatred for the very idea that God can come down among man in love to seek and save the lost. 

 The context of which God is saying that he not like someone who lying.    Further more it also goes on to build on this by saying.  “NOR THE SON OF MAN THAT HE SHOULD REPENT”.  If God is perfect why should he ever need to repent of doing something wrong?  As God does not lie he has no need to repent unlike humans.  So we can see how dishonest people go out of their way to manipulate scripture to prove something which it does not.

If anything it gives a glimpse into the hearts of many who do injustice to Gods word.  Simply they have no love for the truth or the scriptures.  For had they done so they would have never have wrestled with it to say something it never did.

Now let us look at a prime example of a dear lady who seeks to argue this very point.  As you will see she distorts the verse to say what it does not say.  We shall call this dear lady Michelle. 

Michelle:     yeshke did not fullfill the prophesies of Messiah and no GD is not a man Numbers 23:19.

In response to this statement her further response was

Michelle:     what does it say? ?? GD IS NOT A MAN. …. thank you now stop trying to tell jews that your rotting corpse gd is the GD of israel! !!

As you can see her real problem is fundamentally a hatred for Jesus.  In reality this is what Jesus himself spoke about. Now this Jewess is not the only ones to argue using this verse in this manner.  Moslems have also tried to manipulate and wrestle scripture in said manner.

Michelle:     hows this: JEWS dont require NONJEWS to interprete JEWISH SCRIPTURE. for JEWS. …… And yes numbets 23:19 GD is not a man that He should be deceitful, nor son of man that he should relent……. HELLOOOOOOOOOOO GD IS NOT A MAN! !!!!

It seems even when she quotes the rest of the verse she is unable to grasp the contextualization of the verse.  Falls back on what all cults do.  You are incapable of having an opinion which contradicts mine.  Yet it is clear how angry she has become when it is simply pointed out that she is lying and being deceitful.

  • Michelle:     i posted the correct verse but your more than welcome to reject it and continue to worship your corpse deity……

As you can see she is quite unable to grasp the gravity of her mistake.  Such is her hatred that she has become blinded to the obvious.  Sadly she is not alone as many will no doubt in an attempt to dispute the truth of the incarnate son.  Yet even if we put that fact to one side for a moment,   Simple Basic English grammar is thrown to the wind .  The verse itself does not say “God is not a man (Stop)  But he is not a man that he should LIE” 

Michelle   i love HASHEM, i worship HASHEM. i dont worship a rotting corpse as GD. ive posted you verses where HASHEM is saying HES NOT A MAN, DOES NOT DECEIVE, NOR CHANGE, yet you wish to believe the opposite of GDS words about Himself. … thats your business leave US ALONE TO WORSHIP HASHEM THE GD OF ISRAEL.

Now we can see the real reason that she feels obliged to twist scripture.  Yet is she was truly a lover of God she would seek to earnestly quote such verses correctly and in context.  This dear lady makes it clear she does not and will not  do honour to the very words God has inspired.

It also shows that she worships her religion and not her God.

Rom 1: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen

The dear lady brought up another verse which is worth noting.

1 Sam 15: 29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he [is] not a man, that he should repent..

Here again we have a similar verse stating almost the same words as we see in  NUM 23: 19.  As you can see the context is exactly the same.  “He is not a man….. that he should repent”  Only by cutting the verse short can you come to the conclusion this dear lady came to.  Yet the verse goes on to place the verse into context.  “a man that he should repent ”   The context of the whole verse is everything.

Michelle:    I’ve changed nothing GD says He’s not a man. so why are you worshipping a man? ??

Michelle:    I am not blind. as im not a xtian. and yiu cherry pick jewish verses and twist them to suit your false dead gd. BTW MORTALITY PROVES ONE IS NOT DEVINE. …..

Sadly this dear lady is either totally oblivious to her mistake or just chooses to lie.  I will let you choose which group she is in?

The indiginous coptic minority in Egypt are coming under increasing genocidal antics by Moslem.  Some have been redused to living among the garbage.  Has anyone seen any of this in the local newspapers?  where the outcry among our leaders? Oh the  newspapers reported the news about the overthrow of the Egyptian government.  But where is the cry that a miniority christian group might soon become extinct.  Remember that these are real people, with real lives. 

 If this video does not move you I dont know what will.   PRAY that God will move in this situation.

This is just a quck introduction  to this mans life.

We have decided to look at Yusuf’s testimony which is freely available across the internet.  We will look at how his background and how he became a Moslem.

This is how his testimony starts

My name is Yusuf Estes now, but in years past my friends
used to call me Skip. I have preached Christianity and worked in the
entertainment and music industry since I was a boy in the 1950’s. My father and
I have established music stores, TV and radio programs and outdoor
entertainment for fun (and profit). I was a music minister and even used a pony
ride and entertained the children as “Skippy the Clown.”

Yusuf Estes claims he was once a Christian who converted to Islam.  In the process he brought his entire family
with him.  His testimony as to how this happens is readily available across the internet.  I have done a more thorough look at his testimony on my BOX site.  Either follow the link or go across to the box link on my right and scroll until you find the name.

Yusuf was originally part of a denomination called the Christ’s Disciples which appears to be a very liberal type of church, with a number of ecumenical links to many churches including the Roman Catholic Church.

Many of the questions which Yusuf was asking went unanswered.  He was a successful business man who owned a
music enterprise.  But wealth never brought the peace or the answers he longed for.  It is clear from his testimony that he knew little of the real Jesus of the scriptures.  Like many today having a form of godliness but denying the power.
As many of his videos testify he knows little of the truth and is often caught out by true Bible believing Christians. The part that he once played as skippy the clown he now recreates before his fellow moslems.  However as Christians we need to look beyond this to a man who was not only decieved by a Moslem that he welcomes into his house.  But has gone on to decieve others.  When the blind follow the blind both will fall into the ditch.

In once sense it was the failure of the Church he was involved with to answer his many questions.  Although I suspect it might not have mattered.  Yusuf was looking and had Islam  not attracted his attention he would most certainly have found something else on the horizon.

The very fact he was looking makes it clear he had not found the fountain of life.  The living bread which would have satisfied his need.    His goal was wealth fame and glitter.  Hardly Christian’s virtues.  His preoccupation therefore was never Jesus but wealth and recognition.  The cold reality is that wealth and fame do not always bring genuine peace and fulfilment.  

There are churches full of people who follow either a denomination, or a charismatic pastor or leader that catches their attention.  Just because they can nod their heads at the right time, they are welcomes with open arms.  But sadly no transformation, no regeneration or repentance has ever taken place.  Most tragic of all no conversion.   Here was Yusuf predicament.  He was brought up in the church, His family was in the church, his roots were in the church.  But the roots never went down into the right soil.  It cannot say how true his testimony is.  Personnaly I have questions as to how truthfull he is on this matter.  But nevertheless I have take it as face value and disected it with the word of God.  Yusuf as his videos have shown is not above twisting scripture to his own advantage.  It might impress other Moslems but it only shows how far he was from the kingdom of God to start with.

Take time to check out my box site for a far more detail study of this mans life.

http://www.box.net/updates#/updates/1/a/1/939835728

People wondered why a middle class American would become a hard line jihad Islamic fighter.  There was something about what he said that twigged something at the back of my mind.  It was not until I was half way to taking my daughter to school that the bubble burst, Communism.  The light of realisation was that modern Islam is just another form of communism.  Going back to the 40s and 50s with the high of the cold war era, many Americans were persuaded that Communism was the answer to what they saw was the corrupt soft decadence of American life.  Communism tried to present itself as having a moral idealism that America did not.  The glory of a world united under communism fed into many idealist young impressionable American.  The fight for equality of the social classes turned many young American against what they saw as the corrupt inequality between the rich and the poor.  Many Communist even saw in Jesus as some early communist, today Moslems try and persuade people that everyone from Adam to King Kong was a Moslem.

Ecc 1: 9-10   The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun. Is there [any] thing whereof it may be said, See, this [is] new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

Islam presents itself as having clear rules or guidelines upon which to be a Moslem.  I suspect you could be an atheist and still follow these same guidelines.  Communist presented their follows very similar  A-Z principles upon which to live.  Islam tries to regulate on how to eat, live, speak, clothe, and interact and what to do with their time.  Whilst Communism did presented an idiology that was devoid of God , Islam  on the other hand presents an idology with a god.  I appreciate there are differences as well, But the similarities are quite remarkable. 

  Is it by any chance that Russia and China have such close connections with many Moslem countries?  Could it be that their ideology is closer than many would like to believe?

 Like Max and Mao they have their little book but this time it is called the Koran.  Communist worshiped the writings of Mao and others so Islam worships the Koran.  Burn the Koran and Moslems will go on the rampage.  Burn a Bible and Christians will not bat a eyelid, because we don’t worship the Bible.   Try discussing Mao, Lenin or Marx with a communist and you will quickly realise that they have exchanged God for human leadership.  They elevated them onto pedestals and bowed before their precepts.  Today Islam lifts Muhammad onto that same pedestal.  Idol worship is a strange creature and man will worship many things without realising an idol for what it is.  Stand on its toes and you will quickly realise how much of an idol it is.

Communist persecuted Christians because Christianity was the one power they could not stop.  It was constantly the one antidote to man real need.  Islam is just the same, it must persecute and subdue what refuses to be shaped into its image.  Christianity across the globe is predominantly being persecuted by both these ideologies.  The only reason Islam is making any head way is because modern western Christianity has no power.  Even the argument that some Muslims use that America is out to get them and they are only defending themselves, was the same arguments that Communist used during the cold war period.

 They have their brotherhood united against the great satan America.  The spirits that promoted communist have simply changed the name to Islam.  Just like Communism the lie that they will take over the world is once again pushed.  However communist were at least semi united in their goals, Islam is not.  If Islam ever took over the world tomorrow the day after it would start to cut each others throats.  Communism almost lasted fifty years, modern Islam has barely lasted half that time.  The uprising in the Middle East is not against western democracy but against Moslem governments.  It will not matter who gets in because the same corruption that motivated the first overturned tyrants will simple become the newest tyrants. Shiites and Sunnis are bitter enemies and so a world united under Islam will never unite.  Communism tried to promote itself as having the moral superiority with clear guidelines on how to do it, but its rejection of the one true God meant that its death knell was already sounding, and Islam will fare no better.  The more the radical message of islam is seen the more islam itself will be exposed.  Sadly I fear that many moderate Moslems will be caught up a battle they never intended to fight.

The Western democracies are not perfect and they may have many faults, Moslems may even have valid issue with what they see as the immoralities which are openly flouted in the west.  But true democracy works because they were established on biblical principles.  Take the bible out and it is unlikely they would have been a democracy anywhere.  Communism shouted their morality from the housetops, but in reality they were quite immoral.  They boasted of equality but their leaders came to suppress of their own people, whilst they came to live in a decadence that even the west could only dream about.  Much of the present sex trade starts from those nations which were once ruled by communism and moves its way down to the east.  Where women are bought and sold like cattle.  Moslems may shout their morality but evidence shows otherwise.  They say that the slave trade is just as real in Moslems countries as it is in the west.  Anything from cheap labour to the sex trade, and sadly slavery is alive and well in the 21 century.

 In the end man will be forced to bow the knee to Jesus not a communist Jesus or even a Moslem Jesus.  We will either bow our knees to Jesus as the shepherd of our souls now or men will bow their knees to King Jesus as ruler and righteous judge. But we are all destined to confess him LORD and be judged by him.  Today we can confess him as saviour, but ignore him your saviour and he will one day become your judge.

The term Christlam is quite a new term at least it is to me.  However the word is actually made up of two words……. Christianity and Islam.

We have seen in the last 50 or so years a steady decline in genuine orthodoxy.  We have seen a speedy decline in ministers who once held to an orthodox faith literally abandoned any pretence and just into whatever theological river that passed by.  Today this decline has accelerated to an almost unbelievable pace.    Many mega church pastors have become so desperate for seats on pews that they will sell their own granny to achieve it.  The main goal is always money.  If there is money in it many of these men will be working it.  If this means betraying the faith they once claimed to uphold then their conscience is undisturbed.

The latest heresy to dawn upon our shores is this Christlam.  The belief is that Islam and Christianity can join hands and worship together as brothers in the same faith.

Rev 3: 14-16 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”

Here is an article concerning RICK WARREN:

 Rick Warren with his new best friend, Christ rejector Cat Stevens, who changed his name to Yusef Isalm

Just recently, Rick Warren, founder and pastor of Saddleback Community Church in Orange County California, addressed the convention of the Islamic Society of North America. Warren stated that Muslims and Christians must work together to combat stereotypes, promote peace and freedom, and solve global problems. Christians and Moslems – faith mates, soul mates and now work mates! Chrislam!

Quote of the Day: “Before we “shake your hand” in responding to your letter, we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world.” – Rick Warren in a speech to Muslims.

This weekend, the Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church in Houston along with Christian communities in Atlanta, Seattle, and Detroit will initiate a series of sermons that have been designed to produce an ecumenical reconciliation between Christianity and Islam. In addition to the sermons, the Sunday school lessons will center on the inspired teachings of the Prophet Mohammad. Qurans will be placed in the pews next to the Bibles.

 

Belief in the divinity of Jesus is condemned in Islam as shirk (filth).

The concept of Chrislam, now embraced by such preachers as Rick Warren and Robert Schuller, appears to have emerged from a program on the meaning of “love your neighbor” at Grace Fellowship Church in Atlanta, Georgia “In 2001, like most Americans, we were pretty awakened to the true Islamic presence in the world and in the United States,” says Jon Stallsmith, the outreach minister at Grace Fellowship. “Jesus says we should love our neighbors. We can’t do that without having a relationship with them.”

Stallsmith maintains that a rapprochement between Muslims and Christians can be achieved by the fact that Jesus is mentioned twenty-five times in the Quran.

The Chrislam movement has gained impetus by statements from President George W. Bush and that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God and by Rick Warren’s reference to Isa (the Muslim name for Jesus) in his prayer at the inauguration of President Barack Obama. Only 30 percent of Americans have a favorable view of Muslims, according to a Pew Forum poll. At the same time, more than half the country says they know “not very much” or “nothing at all” about the Islamic faith. “The recent political developments and the fact that we’re fighting two wars in Muslim countries should sharpen that need to know how to talk to these guys,” Stallsmith insists “We want to find peace, reconciliation around a scriptural understanding of Jesus.”

Jesus in the Quran is neither the only-begotten Son of God nor the Messiah who was divinely appointed to restore the House of David. He is rather viewed as a prophet who was appointed by Allah to prepare mankind for the coming of Mohammad.” source – The Last Crusade

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=1366

Rick Warren has long been a minister that will go where the flow takes him.  He once advocated for Proposition 8 which led to marriage being recognised as being between a man and a women.  The Bill was passed however it is now being undermined by the likes of president Obama’s ministration.    Later he went on record as apologising to the homosexual community and then lying by saying he never advocated it.  This is not the first time that Warren has lied and tried to deceive people. Recently he brought in some NEW AGE consultants where he pushed what he called the Daniel diet.  Sadly he seems to be playing the Islamic brotherhood card.  Lets us get down together and worship.

 

The fact that so many are unawares of what Islam teaches and even fewer care to check the facts shows that the western world is very much ripe for the picking.  Whilst Moslems butcher Christians in the East, Moslems present a more peaceful face in the west.  The fact that Islam does not recognise Jesus as the one and only way to God makes them a false religion.  Islam is not the way to God, nor can Christians sit down and worship Allah under the same roof.  However scripture will be fulfilled as we see that in the last days many will give heed to doctrines of devils.  The Koran is sadly one of those doctrines.  You can quickly see that I will not be liked by Moslems for my stance.  But as a Christian I cannot have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness.   If Warren had any shred of faith about him he would not be apologising  for his faith never mind the truth.

This is a excerpt from a Moslem web site on the question what happened to Jesus.

Qur’an is very clear on this issue. It says what means:

*{Behold! Allah said, O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the falsehoods] of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow you superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: then shall you all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein you dispute}* (Aal `Imran 3:55).

*{That they said [in boast]: “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah”, but they killed him not, nor crucified him. Only a likeness of that was shown to them. And those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge. But only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- No! Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise}* (An-Nisaa’ 4:157-158).

The critical word is the bal in verse 157 which translates to but in “but they killed him not.” Arabic rules of grammar require opposites to be compared when bal is used.

So, putting these two verses together, since Allah clearly says *{But they killed him not}*, it means they didn’t kill him. Therefore he must have been alive. So, *{I will raise you to Me}* implies “I will raise you to Me alive.”

The passage in verses 4:157-158 only emphasizes that many people talk about what they do not know. Muslims believe that all knowledge is with Allah. He knows and Man knows not. What Allah tells us is the truth. Your question only reiterates that Man is contentious and will argue on many things, even those things that he doesn’t know. Yet, here the issue is, I believe, very clear.

While Moslems like to believe Jesus was a prophet they are unwilling to believe anything he said.  Which also means they don’t believe that God is capable of preserving what Jesus said

Moslems do not believe that Jesus actually died on the cross and another took his place.  Now strange as this might seem that is quite a common excuse among those who try to explain away the resurrection.  So I suppose Islam has something in common with atheists and agnostics.  If the lamb that was perfect did not die, then men are still in their sins.  However it also makes a liar out of God because of  what was prophesied in Isiah 53 and Jesus because he claimed to have risen from the dead.

Math 17: 9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

 

              John 21: 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from  the dead.

The whole New Testament is based upon the testimonies that Jesus was not only crucified died but also raised after three days

John 8: 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.

Unless you believe the record which we have received about Jesus , who is more than a prophet but God himself clothed as a man.  Ye shall die in your sins.  In which case even Mohammed died in his sins.  Time after time we are given this record / Testimony.  This is the christ the messiah

John 1: 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

1 John 5: 11-14  And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

  1 John 2: 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

 1 John 4: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world

The Christ was the one who would come to die for the sins of the whole world.  John 3: 16  “God so loved the world.”  The gospel was never to just a few, or the Jews but the whole world.  “That he gave his only begotten son”  There was no conjuring trick of crucifying another.  That is why there is so much made of Judas betrayal of Jesus with a kiss.  Jesus was not hiding behind some tree while Judas betrayed another.  That is why so much is made of the trail before the religious community.  So that all would be assured that this was indeed Jesus and not another.   That “whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”  This has been the hope of every believer. 

EVEN THOUGH THE ARTICLE SAYS  ” will make those who follow you superior to those who reject faith”  The simple fact is that Islam does indeed reject the faith.  They reject the testimony of Jesus and those who gave testimony thereafter.

Are they pronouncing judgement on themselves that Christians are superior to Islam?  However they go on to say “then shall you all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein you dispute”  Somehow they believe that on the resurrection day Allah (God) will judge all matters.  A subtle twist that they will have an advantage.  The Tragic situation is that they will not be there on the resurrection of the saints.  But will attend the great white throne judgement of the lost.

WE BELIEVE THIS RECORD THAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN AND WE ARE PERSUADED THAT JESUS DID INDEED DIE AND ROSE AGAIN ON THE THIRD DAY.  BY FAITH IN HIM THEIR IS FULL AND ETERNAL SALVATION.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

2Cr 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:…

No arguement on that basis. The Bible is clear.