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God TV is calling this the great Awakening ,  after the revival where God used Jonathan Edwards who to bring revival to America and beyond.  Edwards at least had integrity unlike the God TV presenter. Now we have a prophecy relating this movement to the Birth of Jesus.  What pride and arrogance.  Are we to fall down before Bentley and worship such a move?

I agree with only one part of this prophecy  … GOD IS INDEED TESTING HIS CHURCH. 

Wendy Alec says  “The awakening has been birthed in a LOWLY PLACE. There are no soft pillows or cushions. No comfortable conference chair, American church seats. But thousands of cheap, plastic glaring white seats….No sophisticated sound system or overhead projectors, handheld mikes, no earpieces, fluctuating crowds.

YET NIGHTLY TV CAMERAS GRAB THE ACTION AND RECORD THE EVENTS AND MIKES ARE USED TO BELT OUT THE NOISE.   In simply terms as a prophecy it is a lie

Those who have chosen to embrace this movement do so at the cost of their own spiritual well being.  Personally it should come with a HEALTH WARNING.

There is no doubt in my mind that Bentley is the judgement of God upon a church that has noT only lost sight of the truth , but is quickly coming to reject the truth.

It is not that what Todd Bentley is doing is hidden;  in fact everything is out in the open for all to see.  It has been well documented and verified.  What we see is a form of new age Hindu mysticism.

As one time friend told another some years back when he made the decision to embrace the Toronto curse.  They needed this , it was not a matter if it was right or wrong, truth or error They wanted to embrace it . They made a fateful decision.  truth was sacrificed, and what was embraced was anything but  truth.  They paid the price for disobedience.  It saddens me that so many who called themselves Christians, can no longer measure the heights, breath or the depth of this apostasy.  They will embrace it because they have chosen to do so.   So long as It meets a need that is all they are concerned about, and to hell with the rest.  That my friend is the judgement of GOD.

Here is a prophecy by WENDY ALEC, co presenter of the God channel,  or the God TV

Great Awakening Prophetic Word from Wendy Alec of GOD TV,   THE GREATEST MOVE OF GOD – JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF WAS BIRTHED IN A HARD, HARD PLACE.    In this awakening, the Lord is not testing Todd or GOD TV. He is testing the CHURCH.

Jesus was born in a stable. There was not even room for him at the inn. The normal expected place of birth for a King was in a Palace, even an ordinary baby would be born in a home.

The next option, being born at least in an inn. Jesus was the King of Kings anointed to change the universe FOREVER. He had NO soft pillows but HAY to lay His head on. He was born in a manger.

ONLY the ones who were really following the Spirit of the Lord found Him.

The awakening has been birthed in a LOWLY PLACE. There are no soft pillows or cushions. No comfortable conference chair, American church seats. But thousands of cheap, plastic glaring white seats.

No sophisticated sound system or overhead projectors, handheld mikes, no earpieces, fluctuating crowds.

Even the worship the first few days was being sung out of key. It is not even possible to disguise the lowliness of the birth of this awakening on television. It is evident to ALL. There are no beautifully lit convention centers or even air conditioned church buildings.

The Awakening has been born IN A MANGER. In the manger. Jesus was not surrounded or feted by the Pharisees or Sadducees or the religious Jewish leaders of the day, they did not recognize Him.

And yet, He was called to be King of the Jews. The only people who recognized Him in these lowly beginnings were the three wise men and the shepherds who were in no way connected to the religious elite of the day. But the THIRD HEAVEN was there through the Portals in mass. The ANGELIC HOSTS, Gabriel, the Father’s messenger. Singing Glory to God in the highest. The Anointing was there. But it was unseen by all except the faithful few.

Today there are not many of the spiritual elite not many of the preaching circuit. In Tongaat, many are at a safe distance. Watching weighing. But the shepherds and wise men who follow the Holy Spirit understand the gift of the Father in this awakening that is being birthed.

The Hindus. The Muslims. The unlovely are gathering to be touched. It is they who sit on the plastic white seats. It is a test. It is a protection. The same way that Jesus being born in a stable was a test for the religious Jews. And a protection to outsmart the devil. To protect the very Son of God. It is uncomfortable here for Todd. It is uncomfortable for GODTV.

The same way that in the natural it was uncomfortable for Mary and Joseph. And yet in the spirit realm, something almost unimaginable is being birthed, which has the potential to change the face of the earth. Yes, Plastic white seats are offensive to us all. When they are empty they SCREAM. But the Father is JEALOUS over the birth of this baby. THIS AWAKENING. And He will allow no man, no women to receive the Glory that is His alone, so it will be evident TO ALL that it is no man. No media channel. No church. No hungry ex lake landers, that have birthed this outpouring in this HARD, HARD PLACE. But it is the Father. Lord of Hosts. Almighty God. Hallowed. Omniscient. Omnipotent. The HOLY ONE Himself. THIS has been birthed by God.

PS I don’t think anyone other than Todd would have had and have the courage and sheer guts of spirit to see this through- to stand in the HARD PLACE. And probably no one other than GODTV would have had the revelation of the shepherds and wisemen to broadcast it to the world. The Lord is very, very PROUD of his beloved Todd and Jessa.

PERSONAL WORD FOR TODD

For my son beloved son,

Do you not realize I knew when I birthed you all those years ago? I knew when Lakeland was aborted; I saw this very day.

And I chose to choose you. I chose to bring this move THROUGH you. And when you look back in days, weeks and years gone by, you will know beyond any doubt that this, that you stand in this river this flowing torrent that has yet to explode, you shall look back in wonder and know that it was by NO MAN’S hand that this was birthed but ONLY by me.

So be strong. Be strong. Be true. Be very courageous. Stand your ground. Don’t doubt when the enemy’s lies assail you, for you stand on the edge of the ocean and all looks calm. The ocean is calm; there is no great visible evidence yet of the MAGNITUDE of what lies beneath. But know that as you walk each day hand in hand with me, there shall yet be a day and be an hour. There shall be a very MINUTE when the SHIFT shall come and the TSUNAMI shall break and the whole WORLD, YES the WHOLE WORLD shall be shaken.

So do not be discouraged, my son. Do not be dismayed but know that as you stand in this HARD place, my spirit is upon you. My spirit is poured out upon you and it is IN your standing and refusing to let go that the enemy is defeated, that the witches flee for cover. That the covens stand confused and helpless. It is in this place of standing firm that you SEAL the title deeds to this AWKENING.

Oh wow, I see TITLE DEEDS to THIS GREAT AWAKENING. TITLE DEEDS that have been ASSIGNED TO YOU by the COUNCILS of HEAVEN – COURTS of HEAVEN- with your name signed by the FATHER, witnessed by JESUS and the HOLY SPIRIT.

Word for Todd and Jessa from Wendy Alec

Wendy Alec  GOD TV Founder

 Prophesy by Wendy Alec to Todd.: Lord is very, very PROUD of his beloved Todd and Jessa. How can God be proud when a relationship is birthed out of adultery and fornication?  How can GOD be proud when it is birthed out of disobedience and occultism?    I Suggest the person Wendy is listening to is not God but satan. He alone is the one proud of what these two people did.  This is not just an attempt to shove a new moved down people’s throats, but it is also an attempt to justify Lakeland  as a true move of God.  Those who follow and embrace Todd are desperate to see Lakeland exonerated. 

Whatever we one likes to put this.  Wendy Alec has chosen to place Todd central to this movement and even God himself has been forced to take second fiddle.  The one thing true revival always points to is God.  No man gets the glory in Emmanuel’s land.  60514_10151880602175884_647096403_n

The world preaches a message that if we buy into this or that product we will become more  successful.    Use the right deodorant and people will rush into our arms.  They will be caught up in the magnetism of our hair product.  The underlying message is success and greater assurance   But seriously we all know that is not reality and yet people still buy the products.

We all like to see ourselves as the superhero that rights all wrongs, sets the world to right, fight doctor doom and defeat the arch villain.  We all see ourselves as the hero of our dreams.   Yet even thought we know we are not supermen, we still buy into something of that reality.

God  gave us the LAW and that LAW became a mirror to our souls.  When we look into that mirror, we don’t see a super hero but the super villain.    We don’t see ourselves as the solution but the problem.

Gal 3: 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

When we read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation this message keeps jumping out at us.  Man is not the solution but the problem.  Now this is not a comfortable message.  We don’t like such a message to be preached to us.  It takes God to break apart the dream, give us the truth and shock us into a reality that we are the villains.  We are the super foes.  We are the ones that God needs to lead captive.  Hog tie us and bring us to the realisation we are broken fragile beings that are mired and corrupted by sin.    This makes us so very uncomfortable!!!!

“Start calling yourself healed, happy, whole, blessed, and prosperous. Stop talking to God about how big your mountains are, and start talking to your mountains about how big your God is!”  ― Joel Osteen, Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential

It is easy to buy into a message of ease, comfort and prosperity even if it’s a lie, because the truth is many  are not prospering they are being persecuted.  Many are not healed and suffer terrible health issues.  Lying will not change the truth.  Lying to oneself is probably the biggest deception of all.  Saying it does not make it happen.

The man who is scared because someone threw acid on his face because of his faith is hardly the man who is going to lie to himself and proclaim he looks like Rock Hudson.   Nor belief he is healed when he obviously is not.  

So when Joel Osteen claims  you can have your “ best life now, “  is this not the same message the world preaches every day though commercials  and TV programs.  Is this not the same message Joyce Meyer preaches when she makes up her confessional list of health and wealth.  Is this not the message of ease that we in ourselves are the superheroes which rights all wrongs?  Let’s all be positive and see ourselves as the solution, the head and not the tail as many prosperity teachers affirm.   That somehow we are to see ourselves as little gods writing out our own little world via the power of our tongues. Otherwise buy into the same myth and the same lie and we will be successful wealthy and prosperous.  But God does not look on man as man does.  The message these people preach is not God centred but self centred.  How to make ME feel good about myself?  What will make ME comfortable?  What pampers to MY feelings?

 The fact that like many commercials on products there are elements of truth mixed in there.  They can’t be total lies, but what people come away with may not actually be the truth either. Like the man who builds himself a Noah type ark, sprayed himself with a popular deodorant,  and all the women come to him two by two.  No one believes it will happen, the commercial is a fabrication and yet people will go out and buy the product.  We are subtly persuaded, even when we know the commercial was a spoof.

WE COME STAMPED FAILURE.

The gospel message is heading in a completely different direction.  The law makes one thing clear the package we buy into does not make me the superhero, but the super villain.   It’s only as we begin to see ourselves as God sees us that we begin to understand the failure, the magnitude and the consequences.   The gospel is not meant to be popular, spruced up and coated with dainty lyrics.  It’s meant to offend, convict and compel the sinner from his ways.  Its shatters our allusions, it breaks down our confidence in ourselves until finally we raise the white flag and cry surrender.

“It’s vital that you accept yourself and learn to be happy with who God made you to be. If you want to truly enjoy your life, you must be at peace with yourself.” ― Joel Osteen, Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential

Somehow these people want us to believe that God wears rose tainted glasses and sees us as something we are not.  The truth is I am not happy with myself.  We are called to overcome.  How can you overcome unless you are not happy with something?

 It can never be a matter of me saving myself by buying into some commercialised product.  This hair spray or deodorant is no guarantee of happiness, no matter what the product makers say..  I am not the superman of my dreams.  The need is therefore to hang up my hero suit, step down from the throne and look to the one person who is truly the real superhero and he is the one who died on the cross to save me.

For many the cross was but a failure, a marked man who failed to realise that the people who ruled the roast would see to it that he would be taken out of the picture.  But little realising that is was in such humility, discomfort and pain that the real example was demonstrated.   At any moment thousands of angels could have came to his rescue.  At any moment who could have thrown the entire legions of Roman soldiers into some fiery pit.  At any moment he could have thrown aside his humility and demonstrated that he was in every way GOD.  But it was in this example of humility and surrender to his Fathers will that the true glory was seen.  It was in laying down his humanity and surrendering himself to the indignity of a crucifixion that he laid down the example to each of us. 

2 Cor 1: 9 But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead 

Self wants the glory the honour and the power.  Our spiritual head Jesus choose to lay it down as an example that we need to also lay down our self interests.

Phil 2: 5  Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus

What mind was that?  What example did he lay out before him?

Phil 2: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God

So it is not in declaring  that I am some little god, but our willingness to reject our own image as the superhero.  To declare NOT I but Christ that lives in me, and to renounce my own super identity.  Surrender it and declare that without Christ we are simply miserable failures.  The super villains that we all hate to boo and to realise we are that person.  Dont get me wrong we are blessed people, but we are blessed because GOD is the one doing the blessing.

Phil 2: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men

The prosperity Gospel point inwards, that we should elevate ourselves.  To see ourselves that it is not Christ but I that liveth in me.

For the believer the way up is down.  For the prosperity teachers the way down produces negativity and a failure.  We must preach upwards. Be positive exalt ourselves and cry out that we are gods in Gods class.  We must become the head and not the tail.  GOD help the one who preaches otherwise.  Yet sadly God becomes nothing more than another piece of merchandising, the selling of a product, or the newest hair die or deodorant.  Keep it positive and the punters will buy into it.  Never mind the fact that its all hogwash. 

Phil 2: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross

Jesus example was obedience even to suffering at the hands of men.  But for those who merchandise the gospel and pervert its message there is no willingness to submit to humiliation, that’s beneath them.  How many would be prepare to sell their chauffer driven limos , surrender their private jets, and give away their expensive homes to live in a caravan?    The west has preached a message of ease wealth and comfort whilst many of our Christian Brothers and sisters in the east labour under fear persecution victimisation imprisonment and death.  They endure the hardship that we in the west would be aghast at.  Yet I wonder which witness would God bless more?

Phil 2: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth.

The true Gospel does not come to give us ease and comfort.  If anything the very opposite is true.  We are not at ease in this world.  We continually live with the knowledge of being imperfect creatures before a perfect God.

Joyce Meyer talks about how God wants us to be rich and prosperous, and yet Jesus makes it clear DON’T LAY UP FOR YOURSELF TREASURE ON EARTH WHERE MOTH AND RUST DOTH CORRUPT.  BUT LAY UP YOUR TREASURES IN HEAVEN.

So the prosperity teachers circumvent the word to make it say something it does not. They labour to talk about fictitious conversations with God telling them the very opposite. People scoop up the lie and embrace it as the gospel truth.

In a recent conversation over the heretical teachings of Joyce Meyer I had a dear lady tried to argue that I was merely slandering her, to the point where she would not even believe her own ears when she heard Joyce Meyer from her own ears teach heresy.  Such is the overwhelming merchandising that many continue to buy into this message of ease.  She eventually befriended me.  In the end it was easier to listen to a message that she wanted to hear than a message that was uncomfortable.  

Rom 7: 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin

Even the great Apostle Paul at the height of his ministry had to come to that realisation of his own need.  I AM CARNAL AND SOLD UNDER SIN.  This is no message of ease comfort and whipping out the super hero suit and declaring my own identity as some little god who is in God’s league.

Rom 7: 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not

Rom 7: 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

This type of message hurts the pride.  It strikes at the core of self.  We are uncomfortable with it. It leaves us with no excuse.  The Holy Spirit will not excuse us, nor leave us with our sin intact.  However the answer comes in the next verse.

Rom 7: 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin

The turning point for Paul was not hiding the issue and pretending it was not there but the realisation that this was who he was.  Who among the prosperity ministers are prepared to give such a negative statement about themselves?  To speak it is to become it.  Joel Osteen believes that to make such a negative statement is a sin.

In all points to our own spiritual bankruptcy, but in that failure comes the hope and realisation of the saviour who is more than willing to save from the gutter to the highest.  No where does Paul declare that his confession would change his condition.  No where does he teach that his words will save himself.  NO where does he say confess and that confession will make you prosperous.

The very opposite is made clear by Hebrews 11.  Try preaching Joel Osteen message that one can have ones BEST LIFE NOW to these men.

Heb 11 : 37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented.

Yes some saw their dead brought to life and other did not.  Some wandered in deserts and some had homes. Some subdued lions and kingdoms, but others saw bondage and torture.   Hardly reiterating the message of Osteen on how to have your best life now.  Frankly many did not have a good life and many today would not consider that a reality.

Yet they all choose to suffer the affliction as the people of God than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season. They all had great faith.  So those who suffered and died had the same faith as those who subdued kingdoms.  So we must be reminded that faith is not based upon the size of ones bank balance but the size of one faith.  Faith that is not centred on what I say but in what God says.

Jer 17: 5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed [be] the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD

2Cr 1:9 But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:

Yet is this the confession of the Word of Faith teachers?

We (the church) are Christ. (Kenneth Hagin, As Christ is — So are we, Tape #44H06)

The Christian “is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth.” (Kenneth Hagin, “The Incarnation,” THE WORD OF FAITH (Dec. 1980), 14.)

“Man is a spirit who possesses a soul and lives in a body…., He is in the same class with God. …We know that God is a Spirit. And yet [He] took upon Himself a man’s body….when God took upon Himself human form, He was no less God than when He didn’t have a body. Man, at physical death, leaves his as he was when he had his body.” (Kenneth Hagin, Man of Three Dimensions [Tulsa: Faith Library, 1973]

“[Man] was created on terms of equality with God, and he could stand in God’s presence without any consciousness of inferiority…God made us as much like Himself as possible…He made us the same class of being that He is Himself…Man lived in the realm of God. He lived on terms equal with God…[The] believer is called Christ…That’s who we are; we’re Christ” (Kenneth Hagin, Zoe: The God-Kind of Life, 1989. pp. 35-36, 41)

One of the major problems that word of faith believers have to cope with is the need to keep trying to reassure themselves that they are gods.. That means having to try to live up to an elevated level of a god. Whose heights are so high, and the air so thin that they almost fall over with the sheer magnitude of their boasting.

Now to be fed a daily dose like the above teachings that one can be in the very same class as God. He can do what God does; speak as God does, use the same faith as God does, Create as God does. God himself is more like us. It all becomes a heavy opium of positive emotions that few can resist, a positivity that is centered around oneself and specifically on ones confession. But the need to keep bolstering this image has to be a daily battle.

In The Force of Love, another sermon tape, Kenneth Copeland states, “You don’t have a god in you, you are one.“

Earl Paulk of the Harvester Church in Atlanta, Georgia, in his work, Satan Unmasked, explains it like this: “Adam and Eve were placed in the world as the seed and expression of God. Just as dogs have puppies and cats have kittens, so God has little gods; we have trouble comprehending this truth. Until we comprehend that we are little gods, we cannot manifest the kingdom of God” (p. 97).

Cats and dogs may reproduce, but God did not copulate in order to create man. Such foolishness is astounding.

In his book Agony of Deceit, Michael Horton has documented Kenneth Copeland in a 19 July 1987 crusade as saying, “I say this and repeat it so it don’t upset you too bad. When I read in the Bible where He (Jesus ) says, I AM, I say, Yes, I am too!” (p. 268). In John 8:58, I AM is a self proclamation of Jesus own unique Deity from Exodus 3:14, 15.

Few however realize the sheer magnitude and consequences to such teaching, never mind the effect it has on people’s minds. These teachers then live on a constant high that leads them to believe that they have something the rest of us poor lowly creatures don’t. They become full of stinking pride that’s boasts in their position and revelation. If you cant see your own godhead tough luck. They have ascended the height and now dwell in the place of the most high. They have arrived at a revelation where even God himself must submit to their confessions. Their confessions become God. It rules over their universes and they are the gods within that universe. They then have to see themselves as RICH HEALTHY PROSPEROUS and SUCCESSFUL. Never mind the fact that they could be BROKE ILL and anything BUT PROSPEROUS. It does not matter, mind over matter; confession over reality; What they speak forth must become reality.

Living in a world they think has to bow to their confessions. Pride overwhelms them and they can’t be told. That would be embracing a negative confession. The battlefield becomes an issue of negative over the positive. They don’t see that the real issue is truth and error. Sometimes truth can be negative and error seen as positive. That does not matter, being equal to God does. They are towering above the rest of humanity and God help anyone who does not see the world as they do.

Rev 3: 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

They boasted a positive confession but the reality was so very different.

Scripture reveals their true reality: POOR WRETCHED AND BLIND.

Rev 3: 18-19 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

How many of these prosperity teachers would relate such negative statements as this apostle has?. It was not in their confession or even in their goods, but in their relationship with God. You can be poor materially but still be rich in the things of God,

1 Cor 4: 11-13 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwelling place. And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, [and are] the off scouring of all things unto this day.

Can we see any of the Word of faith teachers today relate to such a testimony? It’s hard to see oneself as a god when one is poor, imprisoned hungry and thirsty.

In the end if they take their confession to its obvious conclusions they are left with a superstitious belief where a negative confession has to be immediately replaced by a positive one. As the tongue is such an unruly member a confession blurted out in the heat of the moment is still a confession. Negative confessions may bring sickness and even death. But a positive one will acquire for them all that THEY WANT. It is not a matter of surrendering one’s life to God but that creation has to surrender to them. The focus becomes self rather than God.

In the end fear becomes the solitary agreement that a negative confession might lead them to their undoing. So they are forever watching what they say lest the power in their tongues brings them to their own destruction.

God has made it clear HE WILL NOT SHARE HIS GLORY WITH ANOTHER.

He stands unique and alone as the ONE TRUE GOD. He will have no rivals, no competition. Kingdoms may come and go, but his will stand forever. Men will live and die but he cannot. Men can boast of their achievements but God alone brings all his plans to success. A life is but for a moment But God alone is immortal and eternal. Men may place their faith in themselves but the arm of the flesh will fail them.

Humility is the enemy of such teachers. The stark reminder that our faith must forever rest in Gods will. It is not in the heavy heights we find God but on our knees in humility and the realization that we cannot, but he can. The stark reality not my will be done but his.

James 4: 10 humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up

It does not say lift yourself up!!!!

Here is an interesting quote from another article that I had to quote from. I cannot underestimate the dangers of this philosophy. It’s well worth reading the whole article to capture what the writer sharing.

“Faith in Doctrines of Demons (1 Timothy 4:1-5) leads to Fear and Death!
Guilt is generally brought about by the tension generated when one was positively confessing but getting no results. According to the Word-Faith position, no results equals lack of faith or open sin in one’s life. This can, and usually does, cause excessive introspection and a tremendous guilt feelings. Sometimes the guilt is real and needs to be dealt with, but often there is no reason for the feelings. Whatever the person was positively confessing was not in God’s plan and He is not going to bring it about.

Fear comes from two areas. First is the obsessive compulsion to be positive in every word. Even using phrases such as “I’m just dying to do that” or “that joke just tickled me to death,” release satanic powers, say the Word-Faith teachers (The Tongue – A Creative Force, p. 90-92). People become afraid that they are going to slip up, utter a negative word, and give a place to Satan. Secondly, fear is a corollary to the guilt mentioned above. Fear and guilt usually work in a downward spiral. One feels guilty because of supposed lack of faith, then afraid because the confession is not “working.” Then there is more guilt, then more fear, and so on down into further despair. This cycle can be extremely spiritually and physically debilitating. All of these spiritual and psychological difficulties can be directly attributed to elevating man to the false position of being a god and saying that he has powers far greater than he really does.” Source http://watchmanforjesus.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/truth-and-danger-about-word-faith.html

The writer is absolutely correct in his observation.

One more recent worshiper of the faith teachings had this to say :

God had become a man,and ceases to be God. Jesus was a man,and the Bible says that God became a man and ceases to become God, for He,who is God left His powers and set aside His status and Being as God. Jesus was 100% human.

The ramification is that if God ceased to be God then he is no longer God. Gods immutability is called into question. Yet at the same time the Word of faith teaches exalt themselves as gods, elevating man whilst denigrating God. They blur the distinction between the two. However history has always shown that men who come to proclaim their own deity begin to come under the judgement of God. Pharaoh and even the emperor of Rome were often smitten with such delusions and we know how they ended up.

Jer 17: 5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed [be] the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD

When men place their faith in their faith rather than in the God of their faith they are destined to fail. Man can no more save himself by their confessions than raise the titanic in its original condition. It’s not a matter of not seeing the truth but their pride stops them wanting to see the truth.

Some have tried to take this teaching to its obvious conclusion and suffered humiliation and defeat. Nor was it a lack of faith in their part. It was only where they tried to place their faith that was the problem. Their stubbornness and unwillingness to see that the fruit was rotten led to countless sufferings and death.

The name of DR HOBART FREEMAN will live on in infamy. He was a Word of Faith teacher & pastor of Faith Assembly – over 90 people died in his church following his teaching and then Hobart died due to a medically treatable disease.

Many of those who came out of this experience have been emotionally traumatized..

THE EVENTUAL REALIZATION THAT WHAT THEY CONFESS THEY DON’T POSSESS!!!

We have seen enough evidence to conclude that the Word-Faith message is a dangerous soul-destroying heresy that simply does not work. It is a body of presumptuous teachings that lacks the authority of the Word of God. It is a system of thinking that has been generated by a group of men drawing from each others teachings with an amalgamation of Christian theology, mysticism and Gnosticism bound together by one of the most fanciful methods of Scripture interpretation ever devised. All of this is buttressed by a mutual admiration society among the most popular of the Word-Faith teachers that admonishes critics to “touch not the Lord’s anointed,” often under dire threats of divine displeasure.

The Watchman Ministry has coined this heresy very well, because it is SOUL DESTROYING.

If you want to read some testimonies by people who have come out of this teaching press

Prov 6: 16-18 These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him. A proud look, a LYING TONGUE, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief.

There is something about lying that God really hates.  Not just because it was a lie that deceived Eve into eating from what she was told not to, but principally because it involves lying first to ones self.  Deception has to start in ones own heart.  It betrays something more noble and great.  It takes what is pure, holds it up to contempt and spits on it.  That’s how vile Gods sees lying.  It becomes the betrayal of all that is pure good and honest.

Notice the cross in the top left hand corner,

God desires truth in the inwards parts, but with a liar there can be no truth. When we lie we betray the one who only speaks the truth. God desires more than anything to develop within his people a love for truth and that is to be the nature he develops within us.

Recently I came across this:

Watchtower Doctrine of Taqiyya (Religiously-Sanctioned Lying)

“In time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary; it does much good” (Watchtower, May 1, 1957, p. 284-285).

According to Watchtower doctrine, one is only considered to be “lying” when one is “saying something false to a person who is ENTITLED to know the truth” (Franz, Vol. 2, 1988, p. 244; Rutherford, 1936, p. 177).

Now I have always known that Watchtower members lie, because I have had Watchtower elders do so, but I never realised to this degree that it was a doctrine deliberately set out to deceive others.

So it seems lying and deception is now considered righteous?  Is this not calling evil good and good evil?  Is this not a total perversion of everything which we would call righteous?  Some have compared Rahab hiding the spies as the same as hiding truth and lying.  On this basis no one will hear the real truth before joining the ranks of the Watchtower organisation. Often people don’t get to know the truth about the Watchtower until after they have joined.  Especially as to what happens to those who leave this organisation. The wickedness of “shunning” where disfellowshipped members are ignored even by ones own family who have stayed within the Watchtower ranks. This hangs over the members like an axe.

The epistle of James has also been used to justify Rahab actions and indirectly justify the lies propagated by the Watchtower.

Apparently Rahab action in hiding the Jewish spies has been held up to justify lying. One individual who claimed to be a Watchtower member attempted to use this verse to justify  his actions.

James 2: 24  Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way?

The Book of James is often misunderstood to teach that good works save.  But it is made clear by James that our works is our faith in God.  Good work does not save.  But our faith in God is demonstrated by a changed life.  As James says if there is no change to one’s life then ones faith is vain.  Even the devil believes  and tremble.  But it does not produce a change life.  The fruit of a genuine faith is a changed life.  That change is demonstrated is forsaking ones sin to looking unto Jesus  (Heb 12: 1-2).

Rahab works was her faith in God and not her actions in deceiving those who came to arrest the spies.  Eventually she came into the covenant with God. She ceased to be a harlot, and ceased to worship other Gods.  Nor did she stay in a place of wickedness.  Her faith took her out of Jericho and into a better place.  However according to some faith was not the virtuous thing here but any lies she might have used to misdirect the soldiers.   What is highlighted by the Watchtower is not saving faith but her lies and deception.  The need to deceive others becomes more important than honesty.  In such a case where is the difference between what the snake did in the garden and the lies the watchtower use?

When men sinned in the Bible  there was room for repentance, a recognising  of their faults and a change of direction. But to establish an actual theology that actually commends lying is something altogether different.  We may fail but God does not expect us to continue in that failure. 

(Proverbs 4:18) 18 But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established.

A common excuse which many Watchtower members fall back on when they can’t find an answer, however it falls back on them when one realises that it’s really an open admission that their foundations are rotten.  The verse is not about improving false teachings or false predictions but growing in one’s character.  The path is about  righteousness in ones personal life and not about a human organisation which claims to be Gods prophet on earth,  A claim that has seen more failed predictions than most people have had hot dinners.

Truth it seems is first on the sacrificial altar.

A rebuttal to what has been said another Christian injected this  “According to Watchtower doctrine, one is ONLY considered to be “lying” when one is “saying something false to a person who is ENTITLED to know the truth” (Franz, Vol. 2, 1988, p. 244; Rutherford, 1936, p. 177

This clearly shows that a JW can GIVE false information (not just conceal the truth) in order to further the Watchtower’s interests. This is taqiyya. A doctrine of demonic lies perpetuated by liars.

Romans 1:18 “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who SUPPRESS THE TRUTH by their wickedness…”

The fact that the Watchtower member in question continued to insist that he had done nothing wrong, His statement say otherwise. Maybe this is the worst part of lying.  They have to lie to their own conscience first and foremost.

 1 Tim 4: 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

Compare this to what the Bible has to say

Heb 13: 18 Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly

1 peter 3: 16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ

Eph 4: 25 Wherefore putting away lying, SPEAK EVERY MAN TRUTH with his neighbour: for we are members one of another

To have a good conscience is to be honest and to speak the truth.  No such encouragement can be found within the Watchtower.  In fact the truth is something that is played fast and loose with, distorted and changed at whim.

Watchtower quotes on this subject:

“When evil men are seeking to do injury to God’s organization and they come trying to pry into private affairs, is it necessary […] to answer such evil men? If you know an evil man is trying to inflict harm on a brother and he asks you where the brother may be found, it is not necessary to answer. under some circumstances one may choose to remain silent and face contempt charges. No harm is practiced, however, by withholding incriminating information from one who is not entitled to know. An example of this in English-speaking countries is, when one is under arrest, he can, if he chooses, legally refrain from giving information to a police officer who may ask incriminating questions . No answer need be given him, as it is none of the officer’s business. Various characters of the Bible have been accused of lying, such as Jacob, Rahab, the Gibeonites, David and others, but there is no record in the Bible that they came under divine disapproval for this”. The Watchtower, October 1, 1951 Issue, Pages 596-598

So does God approves and sanctions such behaviour?

Psa 31:18 Let the lying lips be put to silence; which speak grievous things proudly and contemptuously against the righteous.

Psa 120: 2 Deliver my soul, O LORD, from lying lips, [and] from a deceitful tongue.

Pro 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

“Theocratic war strategy: hiding the truth by action and word for the sake of the ministry. At times [a Jehovah’s Witness who takes the witness stand in court] may prefer to refuse to speak and suffer the consequences rather than betray his brothers or the interests of God’s work hiding the truth, which he is not entitled to know, from an enemy does not harm him So in time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary, it does much good. Today God’s servants are engaged in a warfare, a spiritual, theocratic warfare, a warfare ordered by God against wicked spirit forces and against false teachings. God’s servants are sent forth as sheep among wolves and therefore need to exercise the extreme caution of serpents so as to protect properly the interests of God’s kingdom committed to them. At all times they must be very careful not to divulge any information to the enemy that he could use to hamper the preaching work”. – The Watchtower, May 1, 1957 Issue, Page 285

It must be noticed that it is the interests of the organisation that they are protecting and not Gods interest.  That is one area that they betrayed a long time ago.  Whilst cloaking their language in scriptural terms they betray the very one they claim to honour.

“We must tell the truth to one who is entitled to know, but if one is not so entitled we may be evasive. As a soldier of Christ he is in theocratic warfare and he must exercise added caution when dealing with God’s foes. Thus the Scriptures show that for the purpose of protecting the interests of God’s cause, it is proper to hide the truth from God’s enemies.” – The Watchtower, June 1, 1960 Issue, Pages 351-352

Lying generally involves saying something false to a person who is entitled to know the truth while malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it”.- Aid to Bible Understanding Book 1971, Pages 1060-1061

The truth is that all are entitled to the truth and nothing but the truth.

“Lying generally involves saying something false to a person who is entitled to know the truth while malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it. Jesus Christ counseled: “Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw your pearls before swine that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open.” That is why Jesus on certain occasions refrained from giving full information or direct answers to certain questions when doing so could have brought unnecessary harm. Evidently the course of Abraham, Isaac, Rahab, and Elisha in misdirecting or in withholding full facts from nonworshipers of Jehovah must be viewed in the same light”.- Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2 (Published in 1988), Pages 244-245

“Of course, being truthful does not mean that we are obligated to divulge all information to anyone who asks it of us. …Jesus did not always disclose the full truth, especially when revealing all the facts could have brought unnecessary harm to himself or his disciples. He chose either to say nothing or to divert the conversation in another direction”.- Awake! February 8, 2000 Issue, Page 21

Sarai could say that she was Abram’s sister because she really was his half sister. (Genesis 20:12) Furthermore, he was not under obligation to divulge information to people who were not entitled to it. Faithful servants of God in modern times heed the Bible’s command to be honest. (Hebrews 13:18) They would never, for instance, lie under oath in a court of law. When the physical or spiritual lives of their brothers are at stake, such as in times of persecution or civil distress, however, they heed Jesus’ counsel to be “cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves.” – The Watchtower, August 15, 2001

If anything the Watchtower condemns itself as a fraud.

 A religion that teaches lies cannot be true”. – The Watchtower December 1, 1991 p. 7

 John 8: 44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it

The watchtower has been exposed as liars by the very fact they have covered up for false prophecies; false teachings; the deliberate and twisting of scriptures;  Lying to court officials , and even the child abuse that goes on behind closed doors. 

It has long been realised that dark secretes exist within this organisation which have since been exposed.  Child abuse is one of them.  The grou.  Sometimes the darkness runs very deep.

http://silentlambs.org/

Has done enormous amount of work to expose protect and to bring Watchtower paedophiles to court.  Thanks to their courage in lifting the dark and murky world that many call the Watchtower organisation.  Some of those who have been convicted are high up.  Like this one man who was sentenced to 40 years

 Presiding Overseer in his congregation (Chairman of Elder Body) and regularly gave talks at the Circuit and District Conventions for JWs. (This is a key group of about thirty elders who are looked to as examples)

  Cockerill was on the Circuit Judicial Committee, which means he was in a elite group of ten major elders in the Circuit.  This means any complicated judicial matter that a congregation could not handle such as child abuse issues etc…Cockerill would be involved in making the final decision on judicial appeal hearings that would be approved by the home office.

 Cockerill served on the Charity Commission in his local Kingdom Hall.

Ron Drage and George were good friends according to JWs in their local congregations.

  Cockerill was not disfellowshipped when his victim went to the elders or assistance and this caused the victim to leave the religion.  Only when another victim went to the doctor and he reported it, Cockerill was arrested and convicted, then he was disfellowshipped

Abused Lambs stories

When the media was first approached with this story the Home Office of Jehovah’s Witnesses immediately sprang into a misinformation campaign.  They informed members there was no problem with current abuse policy and anyone who spoke to media was in effect speaking against God. Members were required to inform the public there was no problem with the abuse policy and anyone that spoke to media were liars. This was the basis for the start of the silentlambs website which began in March 2001. The following pages are a place for you to tell your story anonymously as a testament to the truth.  When you tell about what happened in your life it lets many others know they are not alone and encourages them to summon the courage to come forward and no longer be silent.  The following pages are the real Heros of silentlambs for without their collaboration of truth, their courage in wanting to help others, we would not exist

The November 8, 2001 issue of the Awake magazine of Jehovah’s Witnesses had a special article entitled, “Help For Battered Women”. In our opinion, this article offers suggestions that will keep women in abusive situations and prevent them from getting proper assistance. It is another Watchtower policy that hurts the vulnerable lambs that need help by offering in the article examples of women who take twenty years of abuse and “wait on Jehovah” for relief.  This article describes women that had their teeth knocked out and guns held to their heads while they remained in abusive environment.  The solution? After accepting abuse for twenty years the man finally became a Jehovah’s Witness and this supposedly solved the problem.  This article is an insult to anyone living in an abusive situation and the solutions it suggests puts the victims in danger.  Yet elders must support wt policy in this regard.

SILENT LAMBS HAD THIS TO SAY: ANY SUGGESTION FOR A WIFE TO ACCEPT PHYSICAL ABUSE FOR YEARS IS A MORAL AND ETHICAL CRIME AGAINST WOMEN.   I could not put it better myself

 Watchtower war strategy: when lies are made into a virtue.

A watchtower member is only recognised as lying, when it is to other members of their cult, but to any one else its fair game.  This is not taught anywhere in scripture, or encouraged.  Even when men have told lies as when Peter did when he denied his Lord after his crucifixion, he realised his mistake and repented.  However to have a theology where lying is commended all in the name of protecting a human organisation goes completely against the grain of scriptural truth.

I have no doubt that to the average member of the Watchtower they has been made to feel that they are at war with the world, and the world is at war with them.  Even if such a picture does not exist, it’s is this perception which is being fostered by the leadership.  Anyone who even remotely disagrees with the Watchtower view is immediately seen as fostering persecution upon the helpless members of this cult.  So a mindset is fostered that the world cannot be trusted, yet in reality it’s the watchtower itself that cannot be trusted with the truth. 

 

Math 6: 24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon

1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

UC Ministries: Just because a man can stand in a pulpit does not mean he is the genuine article. A change life does not involve swindling or involving his family in crooked dealings. The terrible aspect in the following article is that as Christians we are often too trusting.  The growing failure off ministers across our pulpits has become an ever increasing sorry tale.  The growing lack of a genuine accountability has seen many become masters of their own pulpits, accountable to no one, and rejecting any and all accountability.  The results in this case has been devastating both for this family and the flock that had become an integrated part of his ministry.   Then we wonder why Christianity has become the butt of comedians

Isaac William appeared to be the perfect charitable preacher at St Nicholas Church in Tooting, but he was actually behind a £2.6m tax fraud

To his congregation, he was an inspirational Christian pastor who had dedicated his life to raising money for the poor, homeless and sick.

Isaac William, 61, his wife Venus, 54, and their three daughters appeared to be the very model of Christian charity, funding housing, hospitals and education in Pakistan.

But in reality, the preacher at St Nicholas Church in Tooting, South London was swindling taxpayers out of £2.6million in a tax fraud to pay for a million-pound property empire in Britain and abroad.

The ‘crooked’ businessman who ran a security guard company, made profits of over £6million exploiting illegal immigrants who were forced to work around the clock on a pittance and live in cramped caravans and huts sleeping on the floor.

To avoid paying VAT, income tax and national insurance, William hid the profits into a number of bank accounts including his charity account named ‘The Great Commission Evangelical Fellowship’.

But the money was then withdrawn in cash and laundered by his wife and daughters, Sylvia, 34,  who worked for Lloyds Bank, Maria Gunasekara, 33, a business manager for Barclays and their younger sister Sophie, 26, a law graduate.

The family used the cash to build an impressive property portfolio which included eight homes in London, Surrey, Hounslow and Walsall and two holiday homes in Pakistan.

The father of six also splashed out on luxury sports cars and frequent trips to Dubai and Pakistan.

But the authorities became suspicious when a van belonging to William was stopped by police who found a gang of illegal foreign workers.

An investigation by Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs revealed he had failed to declare £5million in profits and owed £1.1million in VAT, national insurance and tax between 1998 and 2008, which added up to £2.6million in lost interest to the taxpayer.

His wife and daughters – two of whom had been trained in money laundering as part of their work – laundered £1.3million of the profits, wiring the cash to accounts in Dubai and Pakistan.

Venus William, Isaac’s wife, (left) helped launder the cash to build a property portfolio including eight homes – two in Pakistan. Their youngest daughter, Sophie (right) was a law graduate

Maria Gunasekara (left) and Sylvia William (right) both worked for banks where they picked up the skills to launder money by wiring £1.3million to bank accounts in Dubai and Pakistan

Now William has been jailed for four years after admitting ten counts of cheating the public revenue at Kingston Crown Court.

Judge Susan Tapping said the ‘crooked’ businessman ran a ‘dishonest and exploitative business.’

She told him: ‘Your working practices were dubious and exploitative and you used people who had no right to be here.’

She added: ‘The worst part was to use his wife and daughters to launder money. They wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for him. It helped his family to begin to own their own homes.

‘He may well have used this money for charity but most of this was sent abroad.’

The court heard that the pastor born in Karachi, Pakistan came to Britain in 1989 on a six month visa to do a Christian studies course at Spurgeon’s College, London, but he overstayed his visa and was not given leave to remain here until 2000.

Paul Brogan QC, defending, said William had set up a scout movement in Karachi, but ‘it was charitable work at the expense of the British taxpayer.’

He said: ‘The business was ran with virtually no records being kept and he ignored his responsibilities, not only to keep records but to account for his profits and he accepts that over the years he declared little and failed to pay the taxes on his profits.

When the William family was put on trial there were protests in Pakistan where people claimed he was an innocent pastor

‘He also accepts that his family enjoyed considerable financial benefit.

‘Throughout this time he continued to support the scout movement and help people in the local community. He also set up medical centres in Karachi and a maternity hospital.

‘It was charitable work at the expense of the British taxpayer.’

But HMRC investigators were unable to find any evidence that the money in his charity account reached the Karachi Scout movement.

The Rev Noel Mclean, a pastor of the Yahweh Christian Fellowship in Tooting and chaplain for the Metropolitan Police, told the court he had witnessed William’s work in Pakistan.

He said: ‘I was taken to areas where he had helped in the building of homes and hospitals and schools. It seemed to be quite extensive.

‘People would not stop talking about him. He was held in high esteem. They spoke of how many lives had been transformed by his giving.’

In October his wife and daughters were found guilty of money laundering after a six week trial. Last Friday his wife, Venus was sentenced to 16 months in jail.

St Thomas Church in Tooting, South London, were Isaac William was a preacher and charity fundraiser

His daughter Maria, was given a 12 month suspended sentence. Sylvia, received a 10 month suspended sentence and Sophia got an eight month suspended term. They were also given 100 hours of unpaid work.

Simon De Kayne, Assistant Director of Criminal Investigation for HMRC, said: ‘Isaac William failed to declare his company’s income or pay taxes of £1.1m from his business activities.

‘The amount he owes now stands at £2.6m including interest. His wife and daughters then continued the web of deceit by laundering over £1.3m through their personal bank accounts.

‘Their criminal activities ensured they were able to fund luxury lifestyles and further increase their wealth at the expense of the taxpayer.’

Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury, David Gauke added: ‘This Government will not tolerate dishonest people stealing public money. This sentence shows that those who try to commit fraud need to think again – HMRC will find you and the courts will punish you.’

Andrew Biker, Senior Prosecution Lawyer for the Crown Prosecution Service’s Central Fraud Group, said: ‘For over a decade, Isaac William defrauded the public purse with the knowledge and assistance of his wife and family.

‘Not only did he exploit the public purse, he also exploited his employees, many of whom were illegal foreign nationals.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2076093/Christian-pastor-swindles-taxpayer-2-6m-exploiting-illegal-immigrants-build-property-empire.html

Is it possible that we have forgotten the man who once rode into Jerusalem on a donkey, suffered rejection, the indignity of a mock trial, the humiliation of a public crucifixion?  The one who had no where to sleep has now been surpassed by a gospel that demands wealth, popularity and fame. Have we come to that inspiring place where we think it’s odd if a minister does not have such aspirations?   Have we become so gullible to the fraudsters that see the pulpit not as a road of humility but as a   advancement to self interests?

Islam is better known as a wild beast. Unable to be at peace with itself, let alone the world in which it exists. The closer a Moslem gets to the Koran and the teachings of Muhammad the more violent and intolerant they become.

I heard the Prophet saying, ‘Islam cannot change!‘” Bukhari:V9B88N174

That is the cry Muhammad made and sadly that is why Islam cannot progress. The closer a person adheres to the teachings of the Koran the more violent and intolerant it becomes. Sadly the more backward they become to the pagan tribalism of the 6-7 century AD,

Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war Qur’an:9:5

Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission Qur’an:9:29

O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding Qur’an:8:65

It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land Qur’an:8:67

We can’t say that this was “once” true of Islam. But it is an ever present reality. One of which many Moslem and none Moslem alike suffer under.

Moslems try to point the finger at the Old Testament and without a shred of historical understanding accuse God of calling for the deaths of the wicked as if they were innocent, with the same regularity and care as Allah does. It is only as we look deeper into scripture and history do we really begin to understand Gods grace as well as his righteous Judgement.

Deut 9: 4 Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee. Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: BUT FOR THE WICKEDNESS OF THESE NATIONS THE LORD THY GOD DOTH DRIVE THEM OUT FROM BEFORE THEE, AND THAT HE MAY PERFORM THE WORD WHICH THE LORD SWARE UNTO THY FATHERS, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

God was speaking from this verse in Genesis.

Gen 15: 16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites [is] not yet full.

GOD WAITED FOR 400 YEARS!!!

That’s 400 years of grace and patience on Gods part. 

After 400 years God decided enough was enough.  So he used the Israelites as his rod of judgement.  These people had become so wicked and their hearts so hardened that there could be no repentance. They indulged themselves in unbridled sexuality with each other and with their animals.  God righteously Used Israel to judge them.

Compare Islam today. Even whilst many call Christians their brothers, Moslems hate the gospel message.  They mock and deride the scriptures and deny the very teachings and deity of Jesus.  Choosing instead to believe in an imaginary Jesus, Who was willing to lie and deceive those closest to him about a crucifixion that never took place?  So we see Moslems trusting in a god that is so full off deception that he places another to die in Jesus place.  So someone else then becomes the fall guy, whilst Jesus hides out for a day or two before making his grand entrance.    Then the disciples go out to witness to a resurrection that never happened, One by one dying for a cause that never happened.  Such are those who have become so deceived and so, so blinded to the truth and the hope God offers.

How can a God of truth and love lower himself to such a level of deception? Clearly this would make god nothing more than the father of lies.

Whilst Islam hates the Bible they continue to use it in order to justify their own wicked ways. But Islam has no justification for their wicked ways. Can you imagine a Moslem militant waiting for 400 years before they decide to strike a target?

The fact that God continues to be patient in the face of mans growing intolerance. His grace continues to flow and his love expressed despite the growing hatred that exists across the world. God established a newer Covenant which is based upon better promises. However God is no fool and he is no slacker either.

Rom 12: 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Act 17: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead

How Long Gods grace will continue only God knows. How long before Islam fills its own cup of wrath, before Gods acts is in Gods time table What we can say is that God has appointed a day upon which to judge all men. When that times comes Islam will be judged. For more than any other cult, Islam rejection of the most fundamental basics of scripture must surely be filling a very hideous cup of wrath. However we can be thankful that God will take to himself a body of people from out of Islam and save them.

Islam hatred of those who constitute Gods people will only fill up their own cup of wrath even more quickly.

For more information check out my BOX SITE.  Go to the right hand top corner.  scroll until you see the pdf file Islam at war.

This interesting comment was posted

Faisal Shahzad, the failed Times Square bomber was jailed for life with no possibility of parole for his plot to bring carnage to the heart of New York. Thankfully the bomb he planted fizzled before it could do any harm, doomed by faulty wiring and ingredients such as a low-grade fertilizer that couldn’t explode. However his outbursts do give an insight into what he believes.

He says: “jihad, holy fighting in Allah’s course, with full force of numbers and weaponry, is given the utmost importance in Islam….By jihad, Islam is established….By abandoning jihad, may Allah protect us from that, Islam is destroyed, and Muslims go into inferior position, their honor is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligation and duty in Islam on every Muslim. “The Islam war is started and … [will continue] until Islam is spread all over the whole world.”

http://thebattleoftours.blogspot.com/2010/07/myth-of-modern-jihad-really.html

As he was being sentenced to life he furthered warned :

‘BRACE YOURSELF; THE WAR WITH MUSLIMS HAS JUST BEGUN.’ HE ADDED: ‘THE DEFEAT OF THE U.S. IS IMMINENT, INSHALLAH, UNLESS THE U.S. LEAVES MUSLIM LANDS ALONE, HE WARNED, “WE WILL BE ATTACKING U.S.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1317918/Failed-Times-Square-bomber-Faisal-Shahzad-jailed-life-NY.html

Is this just an honest terrorist who is simply repeating what the Koran says or a deluded psychotic or both…… You decide?

He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals Ishaq:324

If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies Ishaq:326

Moslems have been known to use the excuse “THEIR LANDS ARE OCCUPIED, AND WE WILL FIGHT TO PUSH THE INVADERS OUT ” Except in many incidents the lands were never Moslem to start with. The Middle east was predominetly Christian and Islam conquerd it. Europe was predominetly None Moslem and Islam invaded are were eventually kicked out. India according to one source was also None Moslem until it too was invaded and conqured.

In debating with a number of Moslems, this was posted by Moslem women calling herself Koki Noor.  This approach is very typical of Moslems.  While it might not impress a season Christian, it could throw a wobbly for the younger ones among us.   So we will look at what she has said and what we can derive from her statement. 

 “JESUS SAYS GOD IS “NOT A MAN”! (Evidence from the Bible) JESUS SAYS
“God” IS “NOT A MAN” –(JESUS HAS CONFIRMED THAT HE IS NOT A GOD , Evidence From
The Bible!) Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man” … 1 Samuel 15:29
“for he (God) is not a man   “

Moslems hate any  suggestion that Jesus was  crucified,  and will seek  any excuse to reject the reality of Jesus death.

On face value what do we see here?

The women quote two verses from the Bible and make it “seem” that the Bible actually disagrees with itself.  But how truthful is the statement?

Here are the actual verses in question.

Num 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?.

1 Sam 15: 29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he [is] not a man, that he should repent

Now the way these verses get used reveals more about the mind and thinking of the person in question.

  1. The attempt to twist scripture out of context
  2. The need to deliberately lie about the context of scripture.  They do know what they are doing.  This is no ACCIDENT.  But a deliberate attempt to deceive others.

God is not a man” / end text there and then throw in ” Neither  the son of man”/ end text.

But is that really what it says?  NO, because the context of the verse actually says

“God is not a man …. THAT HE SHOULD LIE”

“Nor the son of man …..THAT HE SHOULD REPENT”

In REALITY GOD FULFILLS IN JESUS THESE VERY QUALITIES.  HE DID NOT LIE UNLIKE THE WOMEN IN QUESTION, NOR DID HE NEED TO REPENT UNLIKE THE WOMEN IN QUESTION.

John 20: 28-29  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.

Thomas was not so doubting here was he.  Further more Jesus makes it quite clear concerning his divinity.

MINDS THAT ARE CLOSED TO THE TRUTH.

Most Muslims I have debated very rarely look up the verses in question let alone do a serious study of scripture.  More than often it’s a copy and paste job.  But as you can see from her actual words there is a clear attempt to lie and deceive others.  Moslems are a very deceived people, highly superstitious, and motivated in such a way that deceiving others is not an issue.  The Koran says that Allah goes out to deceive people.  If he can then there is nothing stopping them from deceiving others as well.  As Christians we are motivated by TRUTH, INTEGRITY AND HONESTY.  Moslems are not motivated in this regard.

Surah 14:4    And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he might make (the message) clear for them. Then ALLAH SENDETH WHOM HE WILL ASTRAY, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise

Contrast this with Gods admonition

Eph 4: 25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Personally I can’t see the wisdom of a god that deliberately deceives and lies to people?  For how can they know that he is not already deceiving them?  It’s a piece of foolishness

If as Christian you find yourself dealing or debating with a Muslim I would say that whatever they quote, especially from the Bible.  It is important to check out the verses before and afterwards.  In fact check out the entire chapter.  It is also important to have an understanding of the HISTORY and CONTEXT to what was happening.   A little knowledge goes a long way.   It is very easy to take a single verse or a portion of a verse rip it out of context and make it say something which is does not say.  Moslems are good are this deception.  Now if you are a Bible student this foolishness is easy to be exposed.  But not all Christians are taught in scripture.

Sadly today Christians are not even getting the grounding to be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. Let alone challenging the cults. It’s all experience orientation, not Bible foundation.

Many Moslems will try and get past Christian defences by claiming that they were previously a Christian who has converted to a Moslem.  However these same people when asked some basic questions about the Christian faith will develop an immediate memory melt down about their former faith.  One Moslem claimed he was a missionary to Africa, When asked what missionary organisation he was involved with? 

His reply was the “CIA”,  Enough said!!!!

If they are bold enough to talk about their former faith such as Yusuf  Estes.   It becomes clear they have absolutely no idea what a Christian is.

As one listens to some of Yusufs videos where he talks about his conversion, he tries to give the impression that his conclusions on Christianity came about as he travelled around with other preachers, rather than the work of a Moslem from Egypt.

To other Moslems he seems a creditable convert.  But to a Christian he is nothing more than joke.  In fact it was Yusuf whilst making the claim that fellow preachers were lying about the gospel, he himself uses the quote by Koki Noor ( God is not a man) to deceive the very people who now listen to him.  Such a simple obvious deception shows the level to which this well know Moslem will stoop in order to deceive people.  Many seriously doubt that he was ever a preacher of anything before becoming a Moslem.  If he was then he was one of the biggest charlatans in the business.

One of Yusuf’s main points that he boasts about is that the Koran has been memorized by 9 million Muslims.  But memorizing something is not the same as understanding what is said.  Just because we can get dogs to respond to a verbal command, does not mean they understand what is being said.  Whilst Moslems can repeat parrot fashion parts of the Koran,  It does not mean the parrot understands the language.  There are many conflicts contradictionsand fairy stories in their own book.  We even know where many of these fairy stories origionated from.

When someone like Yusuf  has to lie so blatantly about a few verses in scripture It only exposes the weakness of his arguments.

John 8: 44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it

Now a Moslem would argue that this only applies to a Jew and not to Moslems.  My answer is

“IF THE CAP FITS WEAR IT”

This cap fits very well on most Moslems heads.

Moslems will always claim that they love and respect Jesus.

John 14:15 JESUS said If you love Me, you will keep My commandments”

However it soon becomes clear that they actually have a hatred for Christ, and his teachings.  Their rejection of the Crucifixion proves that.  How can they say they love Jesus and then lie and twist his word .  This does not prove a love for the things of God.  But it actually proves the very opposite.

How can a person say they love Jesus when they reject everything he teaches?  That’s just plain common sense. 

John 8: 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God

John 8: 42 Jesus said unto them, IF GOD WERE YOUR FATHER, YE WOULD LOVE ME: for I proceeded forth and came from God;  neither came I of myself, but he sent me

John 8: 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] BECAUSE YE CANNOT HEAR MY WORD

Jesus could well have had Islam in mind when he spoke these words.

Many times I am asked to prove Jesus divinity and I will post numerous verses to support that claim.  Within a few minutes these same Muslims will demand that I post scriptures TO PROVE JESUS DIVINITY.

(Note they are already posted)

I suspect this happens because they refuse to read what has been already posted.  But I have the suspicion that they will not allow themselves to see these verses. We do not battle flesh and blood but principalities and powers; there is every possibility that they are not being allowed to see them; never mind understand them.

Those who do take the time to read what has been posted, may have such deeply closed minds that they simply reject what has been posted.  To the extent that they will block out what they have just read  and then still demand answers to something which has already been answered.

Eph 4: 18-19  Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in
them, because of the blindness of their heart
Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all
uncleanness with greediness.

WHICH MEANS THEY COULD INDEED BE READING, BUT THEIR MINDS ARE CLOSED AND THEIR
UNDERSTANDING ALIENATED FROM THE TRUTH

Eph 2: 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience

This is the verse in the Koran:  Mohsin Khan 4 : 142: Verily, the hypocrites seek to deceive Allah, BUT IT IS HE WHO DECEIVES THEM. And when they stand up for As-Salat (the prayer), they stand with laziness and to be seen of men, and they do not remember Allah but little.

Another translation of the Koran uses the wordsbut it is He Who beguileth them

So who is the one who beguiles people?

Now the first question before is :  is beguiling a SIN?

Decieve: means to ensnare. Decipere is formed by dē + capere (to seize). Later, it was taken into Old Frech as dececeir and then into Middle English as deceiven. When someone deceives someone else, he leads the other person to believe something which is not true. And, the other person is said to be deceived by the former. It also had an archaic use and is used to mean ‘to
catch by guile or ensnare’.

Beguile: The term ‘beguile’ has a couple of uses: 1: attract; cause to be enamored; 2: influence by slyness.  Another site says Beguile means to influence by trickery, flattery; mislesd or delude.

Is this the type of description that we have of the God who inspired the Bible.  Let’s look closer at this statement to see what sort of god this describes?

It seems to say that the person who goes out to deceive Allah – Allah will deceive that person.  Otherwise do to others what they do to you.  There is only one way to deceive and beguile a person and that is to LIE, LIE and LIE!   But is lying part of GODS nature?  Is trying to “MISLED”,  use “ TRICKERY” or by the use of “FLATTERY” God leads people to himself or away from the truth?  The answer must be forever NO.

1 John 2: 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and
that no lie is of the truth.

A lie and a truth just don’t mix together.  So we would not expect God to lie in order to bring forth the truth.  Moslems believe that Jesus did not die on the cross but was substituted for someone who looked like Jesus.  Here again would this not be an act of deception on gods part….. Therefore a LIE.   Is the God of the Bible a liar?  Again the answer is NO. 

If God was a liar how would any human even know what the truth is?  It would be impossible to trust or even discern what truth is.

Luke 6: 31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise

In the same way we would have others treat us we should treat them.  Would we wish to have others deceive and beguile us?
The answer is obviously NO.  Yet this would seem to run contrary to the nature of Allah who seems to be more than willing to deceive and beguile people.  The old statement “Two wrongs don’t make a right”, and yet with Allah this is OK!!

Now is the nature of God to deceive others? Does God even have a vindictive nature?  Does God deliberately go out of his way to deceive someone who tries to deceive him?  Can God even be deceived by anyone?

This is what Jesus taught his disciples:

Math 5: 38-39 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Math 5: 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Gal 6: 10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all [men], especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Now does any of this describe the nature of a God who is so petty that he will deceive others?

Allah deceives people                    God says do “good” unto  people, pray for them.

Allah beguiles people                     God says “love” your enemies

Now which of these two would seek to do more harm to others?  Allah who beguiled and deceives people or a God who commands that we do good unto people?

This saddens me quite a bit; but I am forced to acknowledge that in  talking with a number of Moslems on chat rooms; Moslems lie on a regular basis.  I hope for their sake that not all Moslems lie however if they believe that even their own god goes out his way to deceive and lie then his followers are obligated to do like wise.

Jesus found himself in a similar situation and this was his response.

John 8: 44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it

One Moslem responded by saying that’s this was only talking to the Jews and does not apply to them.  However it really applies to whoever it is applicable to.  If you abide in a lie and deceive others then you are indeed of your father the devil..  It is he who is the father of lies. 

God is a GOD of truth and not lies.  God who is Holy , who loves righteousness and hates iniquity.

Time after time God presents himself as a righteous and holy God.  How can such a God seek to deceive others?  It would be an oxymoron to his nature.

1 John 2: 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Mat 5: 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

If God sends rain on the just and the evil would this not also runs contrary to this statement of a God who deceives and beguiles people.

James 1: 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning

Jam 1: 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man

Again does this suggest in any way a GOD who lies and deceives people?  If God does not temp people then he will certainly not deceive them.

James 2: 8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

James 3: 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [and] easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

James 4: 17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.

HOW can anyone believe that good can come out of deception,  How can we even say that deceiving and beguiling people is “good”  Would this not make God the author of confusion and sin.  Clearly this cannot describe the God of the Bible.

Col 2: 4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.

Beguile : paralogizomai  1) to reckon
wrong, miscount 2) to cheat by false reckoning

a) to deceive by false reasoning 3)
to deceive, delude, circumvent

Rev 21: 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and
idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death
.

NOW how can we have a god that deceives and beguiles, encourages those who follow to lie and deceive, and then turn round and condemn them all to the lake of fire.