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In a recent debate on the issue of Joyce Meyers, the argument went something like this:

“But people are getting saved through her ministry”

The idea being that if Joyce and her fellow prosperity teachers are saving souls they cant be that bad.   I have a friend whose father in Law went to a Benny Hinn crusade and went forward to be saved.  After that they would not hear anything bad about Benny. 

NOW IT A FAIR ENOUGH QUESTION IF THEY ARE WINNING CONVERTS SURELY THAT CAN’T BE BAD?

Now please notice that I have change the wording from actually being saved to winning converts, because numbers are not really a basis to determine if someone is genuine.  The appeal to converts does not in itself determine the message.  There is no doubt many cults including the rev Sun Moon of the unification church  and even Islam  all groupingboast in their numbers  as the principle basis that numbers somehow equals truth.   Yet we know their message is in no way genuine.

So the number game does not determine the message or the fruit.  Jesus had few followers at the end and yet his message and fruit was more than genuine.   Sadly it has become the principle debate that mega churches are automatically right simply because of their numbers.    We can’t go on that basis.  As scripture says Broad is the road that leads to destruction, and narrow is the road that leads to life.  The broad road is easy to find, but the narrow is so much harder to find, never mind squeeze through.

THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, SOME OF WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS OUT OF A GENUINE MOTIVE.

Phil 1: 16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds.

Just because someone preaches a gospel message:  Appears to use all the right terminology and even makes an altar call, is no guarantee they are the genuine article.  People have preached the gospel for many reasons.  Some of which have been for reasons altogether insincere.  Many have done so because there were dollar signs attached.   Such as with the case of Marjoe Gortner who for many years went on the preaching circuit, and accumulated vast sums of wealth.   He was brought up by his parents to be the boy preacher.  Many believed on him, followed him.  He preached and prayed for the sick and could speak in tongues as good as anyone.    Yet he is on record as never ever being a true believer.  He could say all the right things and make all the right moves, but was never the genuine article.   Yet how many bought into this mans message and dare I say anointing?  Just because a man claims he is anointed, does not mean he is?  In the end he did a final preaching tour with a camera team to expose just how easy people could be deceived.  Sadly many missed the lesson!!!!

 2 Peter 2: 16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet

BUT WHAT IF A PERSON GETS SAVED THROUGH A FALSE TEACHER?

Balaam’s was rebuked by his ass and what the ass said was true.  Now did ass gather a following afterwards?  Just because a ass bore some fruit does not mean we should all follow the ass.  The ass may have been used once but the ass remained just an ass.    So someone may have been witness to by something someone said.  Still does not mean we follow the ass.    Plus and what makes this all the more important is the preacher is not the one who does the saving, God does.  Yet in listening to some you can’t help walk away with the thought that the preacher becomes the one who does.

There is an interesting line to point out here.  The messenger is still only the messenger.  A sign post on the road is still only a sign post, but he is never the vehicle that takes you to the end of the road.    So even if someone is convinced by an individual, like Joyce Meyers.  Joyce is not the one who saves, God alone saves the lost soul.  What many are actually pointing to is the fact that Copeland Osteen Meyers or the many others are actually doing is winning converts to themselves, rather than to the Lord.

IF NOT SAVED , THEN WHAT ARE THEY SAVED TO?

Heb 4: 2 For unto us was the gospelpreached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].

It would seem that in some conversation with people, it becomes clear that it is not a matter that people are being saved to know the Lord, But that they are being converted to a certain individual.  What happens is that the convert instead of running after God, spends their time running after the messenger.  When the messenger falls the converts fall away.  It may not always happen,  they may come through to a genuine path and therefore to a genuine faith.  But when trust is misplaced and these pillow prophets will often package their message in such as way that they place themselves central to their message.  That people inevitable follow the individual thinking they are following God.. 

IT’S ALL IN HOW THE MESSAGE IS PACKAGED

There is great subtly in the way the prosperity message is packaged.  There is almost a two tier lever of consciousness to their message.  Yet whilst many hear one level they will embrace both.  One is a very vocal top message that’s very positive.   This message is very comfortable to embrace, health peace financial stability, divine health and how to love oneself.

There is a lot what I call mixture, where both truth and error are all blended in together and it takes almost a blowtorch to separate the two.

But the core lever of the message which drives the top message is altogether prejudice against the truth of scripture.  Both are inevitably embraced without the realisation that the core message is poison and dangerous to the soul.  I have talked with a number of Prosperity believers who would argue blind that Copeland, Hagin and others did not teach a specific aspect of their message.  Yet in the continual conversation on the subject they would begin to mimic the very thing they denied previously.  It is both curious and alarming that the individuals do not see this reality.  It takes some persuasion before even they begin to see that the truth of the falseness of these teachers is actually coming out of their own mouths.

The final level is probably the worst in this regard that they both see believe and accept that what is being taught by these people is not accord with scripture.  It is almost impossible to reach them without God.  At this level the individuals are so persuaded, and their conscience has been so seared and hardened that it almost impossible to reach.    They know what they believe and could not care that the doctrine they pursue is error. 

To put is bluntly people are being brainwashed by this heresy.  Because this message is often repeated word for word, with only minor changes people are becoming subconsciously persuaded by it. Just as people are persuaded to buy the next new product on the market, so people are being persuaded in the same way.  The constant repetition of any product is eventually picked up by some consumer, so the message if listen to on a regular basis on Books TV and tape will eventually hit its mark.

I know of another dear friend who was involved in a church that embraced this heresy many years ago.  Whilst he knows that the prosperity teaching is wrong.  He totally rejects it as heresy.  Yet there are times he comes out with something that I can tell is from the prosperity Message.  Unless you are fully aware of why how and where you can miss the subtitle of this heresy, but once you see and grasp where it is wrong it sticks out like a boulder. 

John 8: 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am

John 10: 30 I and [my] Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Is 9: 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Now Jesus makes clear his credentials as to his divinity. But can such be said of others?

LITTLE GODS AND THEIR LITTLE THEOLOGY

“EVERY MAN WHO HAS BEEN BORN AGAIN IS AN INCARNATION AND CHRISTIANITY IS A MIRACLE. THE BELIEVER IS AS MUCH AN INCARNATION AS WAS JESUS OF NAZARETH” (Kenneth Hagin, “The Incarnation,” The Word of Faith 13, December, 1980).

So Kenneth Hagin believes that he is as MUCH AN INCARNATION OF GOD AS JESUS WAS? The question is does he fulfil the requirements of one who was incarnated? Jesus made his credentials clear he was Yawah God. Now in what sense can Hagin claim to be the same Yawah God?

1 John 4: 9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him

The word “ONLY,” In Greek monogenēs means unique and one of a kind. Jesus made it clear that he was in every way UNIQUE. Now some would try and quibble what Hagin may or may not have said concerning the term incarnation. But Hagin makes it clear by specifically stating that man can be exactly the same “incarnation as Jesus was”

So how does one who is unique cease to be UNIQUE ? He does not unless you are a word of Faith teacher, who believes everyone who is saved becomes an only begotten son. The sad part is they mix up the terms Born again with only begotten. Both are very different words and meaning. The unsaved can be adopted and born again; the term begotten is only applied to a son and heir to his father’s house. When Jesus was born in a manger he was begotten. Otherwise brought forth as the son of his father. That is made clear throughout the gospels.

Jesus said I am the Way the Truth and the Life and NO MAN can come to the father except by me.

Now if Hagin was truly an incarnation he might also possible have claimed to himself and say he was also the Way the Truth and the Life. But it is at this point Hagin becomes disqualified. No man can come to the Father except by Hagin? I don’t think so!!! Only By Jesus and Jesus alone.

Jesus uniqueness is Highlighted Exonerated and Affirmed in a way that even Kenneth Hagin could not possible fill

It must be remembered that this theology is more than a statement that we are gods in Gods class. It comes fully packaged with all the attributes of a god. Claiming equality with God as fellow gods. Boasting that what they confess they will possess. Claiming that Adam was equal to God. That they can do what God can do. Claiming that God was locked outside of this earth and had to get help from man to let him back in. When as Kenneth Copeland claimed that when Jesus said he was the I AM he could claim that title also. On the one hand they claim that Jesus was as the incarnation of God mere human, Yet they will elevate themselves as the incarnation divine and more than human. God is made to seem powerless whilst they are all powerful.

Hagins book “Write your own ticket with God,” sees Hagin triumph over a demon whilst Jesus stood helpless. That is all part of the theology of little gods. Yet who in their right mind would believe that any demon could triumph over the creator of the universe. The fact that Hagin used Jesus name to triumph rather than his own proved a major contradiction to his tale. If Jesus presence could not silence the demon, why should anyone believe that his name would? Hagin gave himself away. The story was fictitious!!!!!

TEMPTATION TO BECOME GODS BROUGHT DISASTER.

When that old snake in the grass decided to temp Eve with the idea that if they only bite into the fruit that came from the tree of good and evil they would become Gods with “special revelation knowledge.” knowledge that would make them as wise as God himself. Now if Adam and Eve really were gods then all Eve had to do was question and ask how can they become what they were already?

But as Eve did not make such a forthcoming statement but bite into the lie we have to presume that being gods was something they were tempted into. The result was catastrophic. Now both history and scripture has set out before us just what happens to those who begin to see themselves as little gods.

TO BOAST THAT ONE IS A GOD BRINGS JUDGEMENT

Hurricane Sandy bares down and the gods are silent

Jer 10: 11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, [even] they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens

There lies an open judgement  and a curse upon “ALL” other gods. As there can be only one who created the heavens and the earth, this means the rest with Perish. If you believe yourself a GOD then you come under this judgement. In fact it was this verse that proved to me that the whole little gods doctrine was false.

The Emperors of Rome went mad.

Pharaoh was greatly humbled.

king Nebuchadnezzar landed up eating grass .

Herod landed up being eaten by worms.

Acts 12: 21 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them. And the people gave a shout, [saying, It is] the voice of a god, and not of a man. And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

Jer 50: 31- 32 Behold, I [am] against thee, [O thou] most proud , saith the Lord God of hosts: for thy day is come, the time [that] I will visit thee. And the most proud shall stumble and fall, and none shall raise him up: and I will kindle a fire in his cities, and it shall devour all round about him.

WHERE ARE THE GODS THAT BOAST OF THEIR DIVINITY?

Jer 2: 28 But where [are] thy gods that thou hast made thee? let them arise, if they can save thee in the time of thy trouble: for [according to] the number of thy cities are thy gods, O Judah

Jer 11: 12 Then shall the cities of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem go, and cry unto the gods unto whom they offer incense: but they shall not save them at all in the time of their trouble

Where were these little gods when hurricane Sandy brought devastation to the city of New York? They stood helpless. All the confessions, boasting and decrees went unheeded? Where where they as buildings collapsed and floods poured across the flood defences and flooded underground terminals? Where were they? What will they use for an excuse? Is it any wonder that angels look on in amazement at such pride and boasting. yet will they be humbled and repentant ?

Strange things happen to those who perpetuate this myth!

Deut 8: 3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every [word] that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live

We don’t live by every word that comes out of our mouth, but by every word he speaks.

QUALIFICATION OF ONE WHO IS A GOD?

John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

Where was Hagin when this happened?

John 1: 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made

Can this be said of Kenneth Hagin?

John 1: 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men

John 1: 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

Now in just these simple statements does Hagin fulfil any of them? If not how then can he claim to be the same incarnation of God? The word alone means God became man, It does not mean Man can become God. So Hagin had to be God before he became man. In which case the trinity becomes more than a triune being. Many simply do not grasp that when men like Hagin describe themselves with the title as INCARNATION. They are not just saying they are a god, but they are part of the GODHEAD. Father Son holy spirit and Kenneth Hagin. To say the least this is blasphemy..

God commanded angels to worship Jesus >>> Does that mean angels should worship Hagin as well

Jesus had no beginning >>>> Hagin had a beginning

Jesus has no end of days >>>> Hagin died

Jesus was creator and sustainer of the universe>>>> Hagin could not even sustain his own life ,

Jesus was the only Begotten Son >>>> Hagin life was anything but unique.

Jesus had no sin >>>> Hagin was born and shapen in iniquity

Jesus had no mother or father >>>> Hagin had both a mother and Father.

Jesus knew what was in all men >>> I doubt If Hagin knew what was in his own heart.

Jesus still raised the dead , made the blind to see and ceased the storms. >>>>>Hagin failed that part as well. His own son in Law buddy Harris died of cancer. No healing and sadly no resurrection either.

Jesus remains our great high priests. >>>> Hagin can’t even fulfil that job requirement,

Jesus is our judge >>>>> Hagin was judged

Jesus gives life >>>> Hagin had no life to give He died

Jesus rose from the dead >>>> Hagin bones remain in his coffin.

Jesus rose himself from the dead >>>> Hagin could not even keep himself alive.

Jesus sent the Holy Spirit >>>> Hagin too late the Holy Spirit has already come

Holy Spirit came in Jesus name >>>> He does not come in Hagin’s name.

Holy spirit will reveal Jesus >>>> He did not come to reveal Hagin

Holy Spirit leads to the truth >>> Hagin followed the father of lies.

Holy Spirit motivates people to realise their sin and repent from it. >>> How can Hagin be a God when he was born a sinner.

God exists from eternity to eternity >>>> God was not made but exist outside of time. Hagin died period his time was up.

So when Hagin says he was as much an incarnation of God as Jesus was, he simply can not fulfill the job description.

THE ONLY PERSON TO FULFIL THESE SHOES AS THE TRUE INCARNATION OF GOD IS JESUS. THE REST IS SIMPLY MAKE BELIEVE AND FANTASY.