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UC MINISTRIES: Warren seems to be back in the news again.  The subject is his support for CHRISLAM.  This has been one debate that simply refuses to go away.  It seems when ever its gets too hot in the Kitchen, Warren comes out with a denial that he was ever in the kitchen.  Trying to pin him down on issues that inevitable blow up in his face is becoming laughable.  He in turn is becoming slimier than an eel to hold down.  CHRISLAM is you are not sure of what it means is a growing movement that tries to find common INTERFAITH dialogue between Christian and Moslems.

Proponents for and against might help explain this topic:

We are brothers, We are a family of God. Not one of us is better than the other in His eyes. He loves us both. The future can only be won against the “Evil one” by all of us standing strong together.” Malcom X

“Dozens of churches, from Park Hill Congregational in Denver to Hillview United Methodist in Boise, Idaho, and First United Lutheran in San Francisco to St. Elizabeth’s Episcopal Church in Honolulu, are planning to send ‘a message both here at home and to the Arab and Muslim world about our respect for Islam’ with a time to read the Quran during worship this Sunday.” June 24, 2011 article from World Net Daily

Van Impe named California megachurch founders Rick Warren and Robert H. Schuller as proponents of “Chrislam,” which he defined as “a uniting of Christianity with Islam.” TBN pulled the episode before a repeat broadcast could air.

Michigan-based ,Ministries said its board of directors decided unanimously Thursday (June 17) to no longer work with TBN.

“We would not be able to minister effectively if we had to look over our shoulder wondering if a program was going to be censored because of mentioning a name,” said Ken Vancil, executive director of the ministry, in a statement.

TBN president and founder Paul Crouch expressed disappointment with the ministry’s decision. “Although I understand, and actually agree with, your position that you ‘will not allow anyone to tell me what I can and cannot preach,’ I trust you understand that TBN takes the same position with its broadcast air time as well,” Crouch wrote in a letter to Van Impe.

Van Impe’s program cited Warren’s speech to an Islamic conference in Washington in 2009 and Schuller’s keynote address at an interfaith conference called “A Common Word” in 2008. Van Impe and his co-host wife, Rexella, also claimed Warren said churches can attract new believers by taking crosses down from inside and outside their buildings.

In a June 8 tweet, Warren said just the opposite: “If you remove the cross from the church, it’s no longer the church. Just a social club.”  Christianity today 2011

Christian-Muslim Consultative Group. (CMCG) “Beginning in 2008, the members of The CMCG developed the concept for Standing Together in response to a collective realization that there did not appear to be any study guides on Islam and Christianity that were developed by teams of Christians and Muslims working in partnership on the same materials.  In this sense, Standing Together represents a unique collaboration that reveals the richness and vibrancy of these faith traditions and teachings.  The goals of Standing Together are to:

1. To bring Muslim and Christian neighbors together to come to know one another as people and break down the dehumanizing stereotypes that keep us apart and fearful of one another. We live in the same neighborhoods; our kids go to school together; we see each other in the supermarket. However, we often don’t know each other very well, if at all, since it is rare for Christians and Muslims in the United States to socialize formally or informally. With Standing Together, the members of The CMCG hope to bridge relationships and communities together.

2. To create opportunities for faithful Muslims and Christians to engage with one another about beliefs and practices. Of course, it is always possible to pick up a book or watch a television program and get some of the same information; but with Standing Together, face-to-face interactions develop a deeper, first-hand knowledge of the ways in which our faith traditions are both similar and distinctive. Furthermore, in the process of this dialogue, you will clarify your knowledge about your own beliefs and traditions.

3. To lay the foundation for possible future projects that your group might choose to do together to enhance the well-being of all your members and communities. The members of The CMCG have found ways to partner on many projects of common interest beyond the original intent of the organization, and share fellowship with one another as our bonds of friendship deepen. It is our prayer that your dialogue group will also experience the abundance of more profound relationships together.

 It is also important to clarify what Standing Together is not.  It is not an opportunity to try to convert one another.  As you talk about your own faith tradition, speak from your experience and knowledge, and in a way that honors the experience and knowledge of all the members of your group.  Come to the dialogue assuming that you will disagree on some matters, but open to hearing the perspective of the other side.  Listen for the unexpected ways in which you may be more alike than different.  Be renewed in your understanding of what makes you who you are and in  “     (Christian-Muslim Consultative Group. (CMCG)   

http://thecmcg.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56&Itemid=56 the faithfulness of our Creator.  Stand Together.

Eph 5:11 And  have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].

The one thing that stands out in the CMCG web site for interfaith dialogue is the rejection of any attempt to win Moslems to Christ.  But where does it say in scripture that we should avoid winning anyone to Christ. They simply do not have the authority to determine such doctrines.  If a lost eternity is what lies ahead for Moslems then sharing the good news with them is vitally important.

To partnership on the basis that the God of the Bible and the god of Islam are one and the same is just nonsense. Any close study shows that allah has an altogether different nature from the God of the Bible.  The only similarities is that allah means god in Arabic However that same term has been used of many from Pagan idols such Baal, Ashtoreth and even man has been referred to as being gods. Just because the Bible Acknowledges such facts does not mean Gods approves of them as being bona fide gods with all the qualities that are associated with GOD, The Bible however has made his names known, His nature and his will through the Scriptures and to the people of Israel.  Whilst similarities are suggested between the Bible and the Koran, within context the differences are vast.  Like any great forger you always borrow material from the original to give the appearance that something is original.  So the Koran borrowed sources both from Scripture and as well as fairy stories myths and in some cases just outright fantasies of that period.  Like the one about the sun found setting down in a muddy pool of water whilst the locals sat around and no doubt enjoyed the sight.  (Koran 18: 86)

This has not been the first time that Warren has been caught out telling fibs.  Originally a keen supporter of Proposition 8 and there is a video on Youtube where he is seen encouraging people to come out in support of it. 

Proposition 8

Proposition 8 (ballot title: Eliminates Rights of Same-Sex Couples to Marry. Initiative Constitutional Amendment; called California Marriage Protection Act by proponents) was a ballot proposition and constitutional amendment passed in the November 2008 state elections. The measure added a new provision, Section 7.5 of the Declaration of Rights, to the California Constitution, which provides that “only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California

However when his church started to be picketed by various homosexual groups he did one of his famous U turns and was seen denying ever having anything to do with Proposition 8. 

This is what the article had to say:

Newspaper catches Rick Warren fibbing?  Says Saddleback confirmed its report on ‘Chrislam’ accurate

When an Orange County Register article about Rev. Rick Warren of Saddleback Church’s mission to heal differences between evangelical Christians and Muslims was published, some of the pastor’s critics saw it as more evidence of a blurry vision of “Chrislam,” a blending of Christianity and Islam, despite his repeated denials.

The Feb. 23 article cited Saddleback documents that see similarities between Christianity and Islam. One co-authored by Jihad Turk of the Christian-Muslim Consultative Group in Los Angeles and Abraham Meulenberg, pastor of Interfaith Outreach at Saddleback claims the two religions “worship the same God.”

While many supporters of Warren insist that claims in the article are false, the Register reporter and an editor at the paper told WND that Saddleback Church leadership confirmed that the article was “factually accurate.”

“Folks at Saddleback initially made but then withdrew a request for a clarification to the story’s first paragraph,” reporter Jim Hinch told WND in an email.

“Instead of the words ‘Muslims and Christians worship the same God’ they wanted the story to read ‘Muslims and Christians believe that God is one.’ The rest of the story, they said, is factually accurate.”

WND calls and emails to Warren were not returned.

Despite his staff’s acknowledgement to the Register that the article is factually accurate, Warren denied claims in the article by pointing the finger at the reporter for “getting it wrong.”

“This is an example of why I always doubt what I read in newspapers and blogs about ministries,” Warren said in a statement sent to church members.

After the Register article was published, Warren issued a statement through a Christian Post reporter in an interview format.

Warren said, “A few days ago, an article appeared in the Orange County Register that included some outrageous statements about Saddleback that were incorrect.

“Of course, the media rarely gets everything right, and there’s no way we could respond to every false statement made about us. But I felt this article created so many misperceptions that I agreed to do an interview in response.”

The interviewer also asked Warren if people of other religions worship the same God as Christians, to which Warren replied, “Of course not. Christians have a God that is unique.”

Steve McConkey, of bigworldwatch.com, a news gathering site, said of Warren’s response to the article: “A person should not say one thing one time and another thing later and then blame the reporter.

“The problem that we have is that he has a case of doublespeak. Warren denies the Orange County Register article’s contents, but the document he signed ‘A Common Word Between Us and You’ says differently,” said McConkey.

McConkey was referring to a much publicized 2007 document signed by Warren, among many other Christian leaders. Within the first few lines it says that “many Christians have been guilty of sinning against our Muslim neighbors.”

“Before we ‘shake your hand’ in responding to your letter, we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world,” the document states.

The lengthy document then outlines how both Muslims and Christians serve “one God” and makes an argument that the two are one in the same, much like the “King’s Way” document unveiled in December at Saddleback Church.

It is that perspective that some Christians have called “Chrislam.”

Saddleback and Warren declined numerous WND attempts to speak about the issue. But in the Christian Post, he responded.

The publication asked, “Are you promoting Chrislam?”

“Of course not. It’s the lie that won’t die,” he said.

Yet his staff has acknowledged the Register article is correct, he had a role in the “King’s Way” document and he signed “Common Word.”

The Register story mentions that both Turk and Gwynn Guibord serve an organization called Christian-Muslim Consultative Group. (CMCG)

WND reached Guibord regarding her interview with Hinch. In the interview she states that her group has avoided inviting evangelical churches to join their endeavor to “foster relationships between churches and mosques” but is now changing that opinion because “Saddleback’s effort is unprecedented.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/newspaper-catches-rick-warren-fibbing/

Full article can be seen here: Plus the origional story by Orange County Register.

 Compromise is definitely OUT!!!

Whilst Rick Warren is someone I simply would not trust going by past statements.  The reality of CHRISLAM is one that will not go away, even if it is proven or not that Warren was back in the kitchen promoting another fallacy and doctrinal heresy.  The Reality is that Chrislam exists.   However in the light of growing persecution of Christians by Islamic extremist who hold to a book that promotes terrorism.  To a religion whose very history has seen weaves of invasions cross the Middle East, North Africa, Europe and the Far East, it simply cannot be trusted.

Be ye therefore very courageous to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, that ye turn not aside therefrom to the right or to the left. That ye come not among these nations that remain among you; neither make mention of the name of their gods, nor cause to swear by them, neither serve them, nor bow yourselves unto them. But cleave unto the Lord your God, as ye have done unto this day” [Joshua 23:7-8]…

 “Now therefore fear the Lord and serve him in sincerity… And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve… If ye forsake the Lord and serve strange gods then he will turn and do you hurt… Now therefore put away said he the strange gods which are among you and incline your heart unto the Lord God of Israel” [Joshua 24: 1-23].

The reality is that we are not at liberty to join with any false worship.  Nor give way for one second to false teachings.  We are not called to dialogue as brothers in arms with those who have confessed to another god and another gospel. Whatever is the truth of the matter concerning Rick Warren and Chrislam.  Chrislam is an unbiblical compromise that cannot be blessed by Gods.

 Who hold in their hands a book that will promote terrorism against Jews and Christian in the name of their prophet.

Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other Qur’an 5:51

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low.” [Another translation says:] “pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection Qur’an 9:29

The Jews and the Christians say: ‘We are sons of Allah, and his beloved.’ Say: ‘Why then does He punish you for your sins? Nay, you are but men. He forgives whom He wishes and punishes whom He pleases Qur’an 5:18

When Allah’s Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, ‘That is so! Allah’s curse be on Jews and Christians Bukhari:V5B59N727

So if Moslems were to promote such dialogue would they not be seen as disobeying the very book they believe they are following?

And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.   Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.    surah 4.157-158

Who by their own confession follow another Jesus.  In contrast to Muhammad is not even great enough to tie Muhammad’s shoes. Jesus very sacrifice is rejected for some deception on the part of God (allah).  The substituted Lamb of God finds himself substituted at the last minute.  Such a rejection takes place in the light of scripture, prophecy and the documentation of numerous witnesses to Jesus crucifixion and resurrection. The inevitable rejection holds God up as the perpetrator of some monstrous deception and Jesus as some cowardly liar.  Who hides out for three days only to reappear to fulfil what never took place.  Who would want to follow such betrayal and cowardliness of a prophet who predicted a death that never came to pass and further more allows his disciples to believe and die for a falsehood? 

John 2: 19 & 21  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up…… But he spake of the temple of his body.

Luke 24: 7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again

Clearly to enter into dialogue with any religion which Mocks Christ in such manner and holds him up to such contempt is simply impossibility.  In fact it would be a betrayal of everything which is dear to a Christian.

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UC Ministries: Well it nice to see someone who is on the Christian TV network that has dared to come out of his corner and name names and speak the truth.  Good for Van Impe for what he did.  It has long been my belief that just before the rapture there would be what I call the “Great Betrayal”  Where those who once professed Orthodoxy will suddenly abandon all pretense and begin to follow another gospel.  This will not be a subtle departure but an open declaration and purpose to follow another GOSPEL.   Do not be surprised as to how many will open their doors to these heresies.  It will also be interesting as to who will stand and who will apostate.

Recently I have been doing quite a bit of witnessing to Moslems  on a Face Book site where Christians and Moslems can debate.   I am shocked at what I have come across.  Not only the absolute wickedness, abusive language, and low morals of Moslems.  Some of which seem to be more interested in what was between their legs than what was between their ears.  I offer no pun here.  Some of these Moslems I was not totally sure If I was talking to demons or actual people.  Such was the language and  abusiveness  of their nature, especially towards Christian women.  I have to admit it is only on occasions where I could say I was in the presence of  evil.  But none of those times has ever come close to what I have witness recently.  I am therefore forced to conclude that Islam was indeed manufactured by satan to counter the spread of Christianity.  There can be NO compromise or dialogue with practicing Moslems.  It is a very Naive Christian who believes they can welcome a Moslem as a friend.   I know some nice people who have tried.

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 Here is the article on this subject:

A Christian ministry’s decision to expose as “false  teachers” several celebrity ministers it believes are corrupting biblical  teachings has prompted a rift, with Jack Van Impe Ministries dropping plans to  work in the future with Trinity Broadcasting Network, where it has broadcast  for more than two decades.

“I Will Not Be Silenced! I will not allow anyone to tell me what I  can and cannot preach,” Van Impe said in a statement when TBN would not  allow his program to air.

When I see heretical teaching leading to apostasy, I will speak  out,” he said. “The Bible says ‘All scripture is given by inspiration  of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for  instruction in righteousness:’ (II Timothy 3:16). The Apostle Paul also gives  instructions in Titus 1:9-11, 13 ‘Holding fast the faithful word as he hath  been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to  convince the gainsayers. For there are many unruly and vain talkers and  deceivers … Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching  things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake…Wherefore rebuke them  sharply, that they may be sound in the faith.‘”

Van Impe said he immediately called his  media agents and told them, “I no longer wanted to air my program on  Trinity Broadcasting Network; we will take the tremendous amount of money that  we were spending there to obtain new stations that will allow us to continue to  reach every square mile of America with the truths of the Bible without this  network.”

The dispute arose over the issue  of advocating for “Chrislam”  and other efforts that are designed to find “common ground” between  Christians and Muslims. TBN declined to air one of Van Impe’s programs that  contained sharp criticisms of leaders such as Rick Warren of “The Purpose  Driven Life” fame and Robert Schuller.

In a statement from Van Impe Ministries  today, Executive Director Ken Vancil said his organization rejected an effort
by TBN to reinstate the programming and would work to develop alternative  broadcast outlets where they were needed.

“We would not be able to minister  effectively if we had to look over our shoulder wondering if a program was  going to be censored because of mentioning a name,” Vancil said.  “While there is hurt over this incident, we hold no animosity towards TBN.  Dr. Van Impe has often expressed his appreciation to Paul and Jan (Crouch, of  TBN) and all that they have  accomplished.”

But he confirmed that Paul Crouch Sr.  “cautioned” him as recently as Monday “regarding Dr. Van Impe’s  naming of names and publicly rebuking ministers and their teachings.” The dispute erupted just last week,  when Van Impe’s ministry planned to air sharp criticism of Christians who say  they want to “reach out” by incorporating beliefs or practices of  Islam into their Christian organizations.

The program specifically mentioned  Warren and Schuller, prompting TBN to prevent the broadcast. “We received a call from Matt  Crouch of TBN informing us that they would not run that program. … The reason  he gave was that we specifically mentioned Rick Warren and Robert Schuller and  that it is TBN’s policy that broadcasters are not allowed to rebuke other
ministries,” Van Impe said. “This is a rather hypocritical  statement in light of the fact that they have never said anything in the past  when we have rebuked others such as Bishop Spong, Bishop Pike, and in the past  few months Harold Camping and Rob Bell,” he continued. “They also  stated that they would not run any future program where we offered our DVD  Reclaiming & Restoring Biblical Christianity as a premium for a donation to  our ministry. A DVD that exposes false teachers and the heresies that they  proclaim.”

TBN did not respond to WND’s request for  comment on the dispute.

Vancil said after TBN’s decision not to  air the program that there was no future between the two groups. “This was not an easy decision; we  have had a relationship with TBN for 23 years. … But at this point we feel it  is time to part ways,” he said. “We have been able to over the years  develop an independent network of broadcast stations all across America as well  as broadcasting on TBN and Daystar. Our media agents have worked diligently and  determined that we need to add 14 stations to be able to continue fully  covering every mile of America.

“Praise God I am pleased to  announce that negotiations have progressed in these 14 markets and that  contracts will be  presented to the Van Impes for approval in a matter of  days,” he said.

In  the program that was cut, which remains available on the Jack Van Impe  Ministries website, the ministry launches its campaign regarding  “apostate ministers.”

Van Impe explains that the Bible  prophesies a one-world government and a one-world religion during the end  times, and his concern focuses on the move among some Christian organizations  to adopt some Islamic thought and incorporate elements of Islam into their  worship.

“We’ve got too many of these  mush-mouth preachers. All they’re doing is two stories and a movie  review,” he said. But the Bible actually outlines that its messages also  are to “reprove and rebuke” Christians for failing to live for God. According to the broadcast,  “Chrislam is a term that may be used more often among apostate  churches.”

Such Islamic and evangelical Christian  leaders, the report explained, are working to find a way to promote  “common beliefs the two religions supposedly share.” Specifically cited were Warren and Schuller.

During  a subsequent broadcast, also available on the ministry’s website,
the advance of “Chrislam” thoughts and practices into Christian  churches was described as a “tsunami of compromise.” “This compromise is going to  permeate Christianity,” Van Impe said. “I’m calling for the old-time  religion to be restored.

God called me to preach. And I  will not stand down for any man, for any church, for any Christian  organization,” he said.

The report noted that there are some  Christian missionaries overseas who have “eliminated 91 verses in God’s  Holy Word because they wanted to please Islam and the Muslims.” Those references identify Jesus as the  Son of God. Other developments include moves by  some Christian churches to remove clear Christian emblems such as crosses.

He said what churches need today is  that “old time religion” and less “self-esteem  psycho-babble.”

Criticized on the program were  recommendations attributed to Warren that churches change music to a  contemporary rock style, eliminate hymnbooks and the choir, eliminate the  Sunday evening or Wednesday prayer services, remove the word “church”  and refer to it as a “campus,” and reduce the use of the words  “unsaved,” “lost,” “hell” and “heaven.”

Other ministries have voiced criticism  similar to Van Impe’s. Joe Schimmel, senior pastor of Blessed  Hope Chapel in Southern California and chief of the Good Fight Ministries, openly has questioned whether church leaders are
affirming Allah.

Schimmel, who is best known for  “They Sold Their Souls for Rock n Roll,” which exposes satanic  influences behind much of yesterday and today’s popular music and how it  negatively influences youth, suggested in a WND column, “Could it be that
we are witnessing the formation of the prophesied one-world religion under the  Antichrist? (Revelation 13:1-18) ”

He cited Brian McLaren of the emerging church movement, who planned for an  Islamic Ramadan celebration. And he mentioned Warren’s agreement to address the  Islamic Society of North America, which “the Department of Justice
categorized two years ago as a co-conspirator in financing a foreign terrorist  group!”

Another church leader, Tony Campolo, “a proponent of the  so-called ‘evangelical left’ claimed that ‘even if’ Muslims ‘don’t convert,  they are God’s people,'” Schimmel wrote.

“Even more chilling is the fact  that over 300 prominent Christian leaders signed a letter issued by the Yale  Center for Faith and Culture claiming that world peace is dependent on Muslims  and Christians recognizing ‘Allah’ and ‘Yahweh’ as the same God. This letter,  titled ‘Loving God and Neighbor Together,’ was written in response to a signed  document by 138 Muslim leaders titled ‘A Common Word Between Us and You.’  McLaren, Warren, Robert Schuller and Bill Hybels were just several of the  signatories to this outright betrayal of Christ!” he said. TBN previously had a conflict over its intolerance for  criticism of Islam. It was in 2006 when Hal Lindsey, WND columnist and one of the world’s most
popular non-fiction authors, clashed with the network because TBN wanted him to  soften his views on Muslims. Lindsey refused.

Origionaly posted : Van Impe ministry abandons TBN in clash over Islam http://www.wnd.com/? ageId=311473#ixzz1PfLQnMXC

The term Christlam is quite a new term at least it is to me.  However the word is actually made up of two words……. Christianity and Islam.

We have seen in the last 50 or so years a steady decline in genuine orthodoxy.  We have seen a speedy decline in ministers who once held to an orthodox faith literally abandoned any pretence and just into whatever theological river that passed by.  Today this decline has accelerated to an almost unbelievable pace.    Many mega church pastors have become so desperate for seats on pews that they will sell their own granny to achieve it.  The main goal is always money.  If there is money in it many of these men will be working it.  If this means betraying the faith they once claimed to uphold then their conscience is undisturbed.

The latest heresy to dawn upon our shores is this Christlam.  The belief is that Islam and Christianity can join hands and worship together as brothers in the same faith.

Rev 3: 14-16 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”

Here is an article concerning RICK WARREN:

 Rick Warren with his new best friend, Christ rejector Cat Stevens, who changed his name to Yusef Isalm

Just recently, Rick Warren, founder and pastor of Saddleback Community Church in Orange County California, addressed the convention of the Islamic Society of North America. Warren stated that Muslims and Christians must work together to combat stereotypes, promote peace and freedom, and solve global problems. Christians and Moslems – faith mates, soul mates and now work mates! Chrislam!

Quote of the Day: “Before we “shake your hand” in responding to your letter, we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world.” – Rick Warren in a speech to Muslims.

This weekend, the Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church in Houston along with Christian communities in Atlanta, Seattle, and Detroit will initiate a series of sermons that have been designed to produce an ecumenical reconciliation between Christianity and Islam. In addition to the sermons, the Sunday school lessons will center on the inspired teachings of the Prophet Mohammad. Qurans will be placed in the pews next to the Bibles.

 

Belief in the divinity of Jesus is condemned in Islam as shirk (filth).

The concept of Chrislam, now embraced by such preachers as Rick Warren and Robert Schuller, appears to have emerged from a program on the meaning of “love your neighbor” at Grace Fellowship Church in Atlanta, Georgia “In 2001, like most Americans, we were pretty awakened to the true Islamic presence in the world and in the United States,” says Jon Stallsmith, the outreach minister at Grace Fellowship. “Jesus says we should love our neighbors. We can’t do that without having a relationship with them.”

Stallsmith maintains that a rapprochement between Muslims and Christians can be achieved by the fact that Jesus is mentioned twenty-five times in the Quran.

The Chrislam movement has gained impetus by statements from President George W. Bush and that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God and by Rick Warren’s reference to Isa (the Muslim name for Jesus) in his prayer at the inauguration of President Barack Obama. Only 30 percent of Americans have a favorable view of Muslims, according to a Pew Forum poll. At the same time, more than half the country says they know “not very much” or “nothing at all” about the Islamic faith. “The recent political developments and the fact that we’re fighting two wars in Muslim countries should sharpen that need to know how to talk to these guys,” Stallsmith insists “We want to find peace, reconciliation around a scriptural understanding of Jesus.”

Jesus in the Quran is neither the only-begotten Son of God nor the Messiah who was divinely appointed to restore the House of David. He is rather viewed as a prophet who was appointed by Allah to prepare mankind for the coming of Mohammad.” source – The Last Crusade

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=1366

Rick Warren has long been a minister that will go where the flow takes him.  He once advocated for Proposition 8 which led to marriage being recognised as being between a man and a women.  The Bill was passed however it is now being undermined by the likes of president Obama’s ministration.    Later he went on record as apologising to the homosexual community and then lying by saying he never advocated it.  This is not the first time that Warren has lied and tried to deceive people. Recently he brought in some NEW AGE consultants where he pushed what he called the Daniel diet.  Sadly he seems to be playing the Islamic brotherhood card.  Lets us get down together and worship.

 

The fact that so many are unawares of what Islam teaches and even fewer care to check the facts shows that the western world is very much ripe for the picking.  Whilst Moslems butcher Christians in the East, Moslems present a more peaceful face in the west.  The fact that Islam does not recognise Jesus as the one and only way to God makes them a false religion.  Islam is not the way to God, nor can Christians sit down and worship Allah under the same roof.  However scripture will be fulfilled as we see that in the last days many will give heed to doctrines of devils.  The Koran is sadly one of those doctrines.  You can quickly see that I will not be liked by Moslems for my stance.  But as a Christian I cannot have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness.   If Warren had any shred of faith about him he would not be apologising  for his faith never mind the truth.