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UCMINISTRIES : This is but a crude illustration which describes the origin of the Word of Faith, or as some have coined The Prosperity Movement..  Whilst this is by no means a complete or exhaustive picture, it does show how the origins of this teaching stem not from scripture but the doctrines of men.   The various relationships between the various ministries may vary from person to person, but there can be no doubt that the influences do exist.

Jude 1: 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ

2 Peter 2: 1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction

2 Peter 3: 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

This was predicted centuries ago and we are now seeing the fulfilment.  Sadly many a good man or women has been caught up in the movement and swept along.  These Pillow prophets have merchandised the gospel, crept in under our radar and seduced the church with their pernicious teachings.    I can only hope in time this tree with be added to show how others fit into the picture.  Mark them well as they have neither the health of your soul or your spiritual well being in mind.

Mat 7: 15 -18 @ 20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

There are many who do come to reject what Hagin taught, yet do not even realise that they are still drinking from the same polluted well. The same theology of faith as a force and the power in words to create ones own reality, still posses a heavy cocktail that many find to hard to renounce.  Motivational speakers like Joyce Mayer and Joel Osteen present to the unwary their own rehash revamped mixture of positive thinking and prosperity gospel all rolled into one.  Many see in these preachers what they lack in themselves, a positive image, a deep sense of self worth, and the need to see themselves in a more positive constructive light.  The sad reality however it is still not the gospel.  What makes this all the more dangerous is that these preachers are elevated and enthroned on pedestals as latter day apostles.  They cannot be questioned or rebuked less you are touching upon the Lords anointed.

The roots of this philosophy go very deep into a theology that’s alien to scripture.  Whilst Biblical terms like faith in God are used, inevitably faith gets placed in everywhere else but God.     The message may sound overwhelmingly positive but positivity in of itself is still not scripture. 

Scripture is made into a repetitive confession simply to be declared, rather than a belief to be lived by, and just because a man can confess there is a GOD does not mean he truly knows him.  A reptititious confession cannot bring a man closer to God, than reading a book makes you known to the author.

To say that the gospel has been hijacked is an under statement.  It has been repackaged, relabelled, prostituted to the ninth degree, Pimped out to whoever will be pay a buck, rebranded all in the name of God.  If Jesus was around to day he would have to cleanse the temple all over again.  Then we wonder why Christianity today if failing.  Unless we have smoke machines and disco lights on the platform the youth are not interested.  The Old guard are pushed out as out of touch and out of date.  Worship is more like an hour at the local disco.    

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In a recent debate on the issue of Joyce Meyers, the argument went something like this:

“But people are getting saved through her ministry”

The idea being that if Joyce and her fellow prosperity teachers are saving souls they cant be that bad.   I have a friend whose father in Law went to a Benny Hinn crusade and went forward to be saved.  After that they would not hear anything bad about Benny. 

NOW IT A FAIR ENOUGH QUESTION IF THEY ARE WINNING CONVERTS SURELY THAT CAN’T BE BAD?

Now please notice that I have change the wording from actually being saved to winning converts, because numbers are not really a basis to determine if someone is genuine.  The appeal to converts does not in itself determine the message.  There is no doubt many cults including the rev Sun Moon of the unification church  and even Islam  all groupingboast in their numbers  as the principle basis that numbers somehow equals truth.   Yet we know their message is in no way genuine.

So the number game does not determine the message or the fruit.  Jesus had few followers at the end and yet his message and fruit was more than genuine.   Sadly it has become the principle debate that mega churches are automatically right simply because of their numbers.    We can’t go on that basis.  As scripture says Broad is the road that leads to destruction, and narrow is the road that leads to life.  The broad road is easy to find, but the narrow is so much harder to find, never mind squeeze through.

THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, SOME OF WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS OUT OF A GENUINE MOTIVE.

Phil 1: 16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds.

Just because someone preaches a gospel message:  Appears to use all the right terminology and even makes an altar call, is no guarantee they are the genuine article.  People have preached the gospel for many reasons.  Some of which have been for reasons altogether insincere.  Many have done so because there were dollar signs attached.   Such as with the case of Marjoe Gortner who for many years went on the preaching circuit, and accumulated vast sums of wealth.   He was brought up by his parents to be the boy preacher.  Many believed on him, followed him.  He preached and prayed for the sick and could speak in tongues as good as anyone.    Yet he is on record as never ever being a true believer.  He could say all the right things and make all the right moves, but was never the genuine article.   Yet how many bought into this mans message and dare I say anointing?  Just because a man claims he is anointed, does not mean he is?  In the end he did a final preaching tour with a camera team to expose just how easy people could be deceived.  Sadly many missed the lesson!!!!

 2 Peter 2: 16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet

BUT WHAT IF A PERSON GETS SAVED THROUGH A FALSE TEACHER?

Balaam’s was rebuked by his ass and what the ass said was true.  Now did ass gather a following afterwards?  Just because a ass bore some fruit does not mean we should all follow the ass.  The ass may have been used once but the ass remained just an ass.    So someone may have been witness to by something someone said.  Still does not mean we follow the ass.    Plus and what makes this all the more important is the preacher is not the one who does the saving, God does.  Yet in listening to some you can’t help walk away with the thought that the preacher becomes the one who does.

There is an interesting line to point out here.  The messenger is still only the messenger.  A sign post on the road is still only a sign post, but he is never the vehicle that takes you to the end of the road.    So even if someone is convinced by an individual, like Joyce Meyers.  Joyce is not the one who saves, God alone saves the lost soul.  What many are actually pointing to is the fact that Copeland Osteen Meyers or the many others are actually doing is winning converts to themselves, rather than to the Lord.

IF NOT SAVED , THEN WHAT ARE THEY SAVED TO?

Heb 4: 2 For unto us was the gospelpreached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].

It would seem that in some conversation with people, it becomes clear that it is not a matter that people are being saved to know the Lord, But that they are being converted to a certain individual.  What happens is that the convert instead of running after God, spends their time running after the messenger.  When the messenger falls the converts fall away.  It may not always happen,  they may come through to a genuine path and therefore to a genuine faith.  But when trust is misplaced and these pillow prophets will often package their message in such as way that they place themselves central to their message.  That people inevitable follow the individual thinking they are following God.. 

IT’S ALL IN HOW THE MESSAGE IS PACKAGED

There is great subtly in the way the prosperity message is packaged.  There is almost a two tier lever of consciousness to their message.  Yet whilst many hear one level they will embrace both.  One is a very vocal top message that’s very positive.   This message is very comfortable to embrace, health peace financial stability, divine health and how to love oneself.

There is a lot what I call mixture, where both truth and error are all blended in together and it takes almost a blowtorch to separate the two.

But the core lever of the message which drives the top message is altogether prejudice against the truth of scripture.  Both are inevitably embraced without the realisation that the core message is poison and dangerous to the soul.  I have talked with a number of Prosperity believers who would argue blind that Copeland, Hagin and others did not teach a specific aspect of their message.  Yet in the continual conversation on the subject they would begin to mimic the very thing they denied previously.  It is both curious and alarming that the individuals do not see this reality.  It takes some persuasion before even they begin to see that the truth of the falseness of these teachers is actually coming out of their own mouths.

The final level is probably the worst in this regard that they both see believe and accept that what is being taught by these people is not accord with scripture.  It is almost impossible to reach them without God.  At this level the individuals are so persuaded, and their conscience has been so seared and hardened that it almost impossible to reach.    They know what they believe and could not care that the doctrine they pursue is error. 

To put is bluntly people are being brainwashed by this heresy.  Because this message is often repeated word for word, with only minor changes people are becoming subconsciously persuaded by it. Just as people are persuaded to buy the next new product on the market, so people are being persuaded in the same way.  The constant repetition of any product is eventually picked up by some consumer, so the message if listen to on a regular basis on Books TV and tape will eventually hit its mark.

I know of another dear friend who was involved in a church that embraced this heresy many years ago.  Whilst he knows that the prosperity teaching is wrong.  He totally rejects it as heresy.  Yet there are times he comes out with something that I can tell is from the prosperity Message.  Unless you are fully aware of why how and where you can miss the subtitle of this heresy, but once you see and grasp where it is wrong it sticks out like a boulder. 

The world preaches a message that if we buy into this or that product we will become more  successful.    Use the right deodorant and people will rush into our arms.  They will be caught up in the magnetism of our hair product.  The underlying message is success and greater assurance   But seriously we all know that is not reality and yet people still buy the products.

We all like to see ourselves as the superhero that rights all wrongs, sets the world to right, fight doctor doom and defeat the arch villain.  We all see ourselves as the hero of our dreams.   Yet even thought we know we are not supermen, we still buy into something of that reality.

God  gave us the LAW and that LAW became a mirror to our souls.  When we look into that mirror, we don’t see a super hero but the super villain.    We don’t see ourselves as the solution but the problem.

Gal 3: 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

When we read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation this message keeps jumping out at us.  Man is not the solution but the problem.  Now this is not a comfortable message.  We don’t like such a message to be preached to us.  It takes God to break apart the dream, give us the truth and shock us into a reality that we are the villains.  We are the super foes.  We are the ones that God needs to lead captive.  Hog tie us and bring us to the realisation we are broken fragile beings that are mired and corrupted by sin.    This makes us so very uncomfortable!!!!

“Start calling yourself healed, happy, whole, blessed, and prosperous. Stop talking to God about how big your mountains are, and start talking to your mountains about how big your God is!”  ― Joel Osteen, Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential

It is easy to buy into a message of ease, comfort and prosperity even if it’s a lie, because the truth is many  are not prospering they are being persecuted.  Many are not healed and suffer terrible health issues.  Lying will not change the truth.  Lying to oneself is probably the biggest deception of all.  Saying it does not make it happen.

The man who is scared because someone threw acid on his face because of his faith is hardly the man who is going to lie to himself and proclaim he looks like Rock Hudson.   Nor belief he is healed when he obviously is not.  

So when Joel Osteen claims  you can have your “ best life now, “  is this not the same message the world preaches every day though commercials  and TV programs.  Is this not the same message Joyce Meyer preaches when she makes up her confessional list of health and wealth.  Is this not the message of ease that we in ourselves are the superheroes which rights all wrongs?  Let’s all be positive and see ourselves as the solution, the head and not the tail as many prosperity teachers affirm.   That somehow we are to see ourselves as little gods writing out our own little world via the power of our tongues. Otherwise buy into the same myth and the same lie and we will be successful wealthy and prosperous.  But God does not look on man as man does.  The message these people preach is not God centred but self centred.  How to make ME feel good about myself?  What will make ME comfortable?  What pampers to MY feelings?

 The fact that like many commercials on products there are elements of truth mixed in there.  They can’t be total lies, but what people come away with may not actually be the truth either. Like the man who builds himself a Noah type ark, sprayed himself with a popular deodorant,  and all the women come to him two by two.  No one believes it will happen, the commercial is a fabrication and yet people will go out and buy the product.  We are subtly persuaded, even when we know the commercial was a spoof.

WE COME STAMPED FAILURE.

The gospel message is heading in a completely different direction.  The law makes one thing clear the package we buy into does not make me the superhero, but the super villain.   It’s only as we begin to see ourselves as God sees us that we begin to understand the failure, the magnitude and the consequences.   The gospel is not meant to be popular, spruced up and coated with dainty lyrics.  It’s meant to offend, convict and compel the sinner from his ways.  Its shatters our allusions, it breaks down our confidence in ourselves until finally we raise the white flag and cry surrender.

“It’s vital that you accept yourself and learn to be happy with who God made you to be. If you want to truly enjoy your life, you must be at peace with yourself.” ― Joel Osteen, Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential

Somehow these people want us to believe that God wears rose tainted glasses and sees us as something we are not.  The truth is I am not happy with myself.  We are called to overcome.  How can you overcome unless you are not happy with something?

 It can never be a matter of me saving myself by buying into some commercialised product.  This hair spray or deodorant is no guarantee of happiness, no matter what the product makers say..  I am not the superman of my dreams.  The need is therefore to hang up my hero suit, step down from the throne and look to the one person who is truly the real superhero and he is the one who died on the cross to save me.

For many the cross was but a failure, a marked man who failed to realise that the people who ruled the roast would see to it that he would be taken out of the picture.  But little realising that is was in such humility, discomfort and pain that the real example was demonstrated.   At any moment thousands of angels could have came to his rescue.  At any moment who could have thrown the entire legions of Roman soldiers into some fiery pit.  At any moment he could have thrown aside his humility and demonstrated that he was in every way GOD.  But it was in this example of humility and surrender to his Fathers will that the true glory was seen.  It was in laying down his humanity and surrendering himself to the indignity of a crucifixion that he laid down the example to each of us. 

2 Cor 1: 9 But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead 

Self wants the glory the honour and the power.  Our spiritual head Jesus choose to lay it down as an example that we need to also lay down our self interests.

Phil 2: 5  Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus

What mind was that?  What example did he lay out before him?

Phil 2: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God

So it is not in declaring  that I am some little god, but our willingness to reject our own image as the superhero.  To declare NOT I but Christ that lives in me, and to renounce my own super identity.  Surrender it and declare that without Christ we are simply miserable failures.  The super villains that we all hate to boo and to realise we are that person.  Dont get me wrong we are blessed people, but we are blessed because GOD is the one doing the blessing.

Phil 2: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men

The prosperity Gospel point inwards, that we should elevate ourselves.  To see ourselves that it is not Christ but I that liveth in me.

For the believer the way up is down.  For the prosperity teachers the way down produces negativity and a failure.  We must preach upwards. Be positive exalt ourselves and cry out that we are gods in Gods class.  We must become the head and not the tail.  GOD help the one who preaches otherwise.  Yet sadly God becomes nothing more than another piece of merchandising, the selling of a product, or the newest hair die or deodorant.  Keep it positive and the punters will buy into it.  Never mind the fact that its all hogwash. 

Phil 2: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross

Jesus example was obedience even to suffering at the hands of men.  But for those who merchandise the gospel and pervert its message there is no willingness to submit to humiliation, that’s beneath them.  How many would be prepare to sell their chauffer driven limos , surrender their private jets, and give away their expensive homes to live in a caravan?    The west has preached a message of ease wealth and comfort whilst many of our Christian Brothers and sisters in the east labour under fear persecution victimisation imprisonment and death.  They endure the hardship that we in the west would be aghast at.  Yet I wonder which witness would God bless more?

Phil 2: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth.

The true Gospel does not come to give us ease and comfort.  If anything the very opposite is true.  We are not at ease in this world.  We continually live with the knowledge of being imperfect creatures before a perfect God.

Joyce Meyer talks about how God wants us to be rich and prosperous, and yet Jesus makes it clear DON’T LAY UP FOR YOURSELF TREASURE ON EARTH WHERE MOTH AND RUST DOTH CORRUPT.  BUT LAY UP YOUR TREASURES IN HEAVEN.

So the prosperity teachers circumvent the word to make it say something it does not. They labour to talk about fictitious conversations with God telling them the very opposite. People scoop up the lie and embrace it as the gospel truth.

In a recent conversation over the heretical teachings of Joyce Meyer I had a dear lady tried to argue that I was merely slandering her, to the point where she would not even believe her own ears when she heard Joyce Meyer from her own ears teach heresy.  Such is the overwhelming merchandising that many continue to buy into this message of ease.  She eventually befriended me.  In the end it was easier to listen to a message that she wanted to hear than a message that was uncomfortable.  

Rom 7: 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin

Even the great Apostle Paul at the height of his ministry had to come to that realisation of his own need.  I AM CARNAL AND SOLD UNDER SIN.  This is no message of ease comfort and whipping out the super hero suit and declaring my own identity as some little god who is in God’s league.

Rom 7: 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not

Rom 7: 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

This type of message hurts the pride.  It strikes at the core of self.  We are uncomfortable with it. It leaves us with no excuse.  The Holy Spirit will not excuse us, nor leave us with our sin intact.  However the answer comes in the next verse.

Rom 7: 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin

The turning point for Paul was not hiding the issue and pretending it was not there but the realisation that this was who he was.  Who among the prosperity ministers are prepared to give such a negative statement about themselves?  To speak it is to become it.  Joel Osteen believes that to make such a negative statement is a sin.

In all points to our own spiritual bankruptcy, but in that failure comes the hope and realisation of the saviour who is more than willing to save from the gutter to the highest.  No where does Paul declare that his confession would change his condition.  No where does he teach that his words will save himself.  NO where does he say confess and that confession will make you prosperous.

The very opposite is made clear by Hebrews 11.  Try preaching Joel Osteen message that one can have ones BEST LIFE NOW to these men.

Heb 11 : 37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented.

Yes some saw their dead brought to life and other did not.  Some wandered in deserts and some had homes. Some subdued lions and kingdoms, but others saw bondage and torture.   Hardly reiterating the message of Osteen on how to have your best life now.  Frankly many did not have a good life and many today would not consider that a reality.

Yet they all choose to suffer the affliction as the people of God than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season. They all had great faith.  So those who suffered and died had the same faith as those who subdued kingdoms.  So we must be reminded that faith is not based upon the size of ones bank balance but the size of one faith.  Faith that is not centred on what I say but in what God says.

Joel Osteen’s new book 31 declarations to speak over your life is not new but simply a

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continuation of what many an oil snake salesmen have embarked on before hand.  Its not that one cannot be positive in what one confesses, but the belief that what one confesses will bring that blessing to you.   Osteen like most Prosperity teachers believe in the power of ones words.  So unless its confessed you cant have it.  If we are truly blessed then we don’t need to confess what  we already have, nor do we need to buy the books, tapes or the various gimmicks which go with it.  The coffee cup with the declarations written on the side will no doubt last less time with constant washing that the book will.  But it simply testifies to the gimmicks such men use.  Can anyone really see Jesus or his disciples selling such paraphernalia to make themselves a buck or two? 

2 Peter 2: 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Truly this prophecy has come to pass in our modern church

 The sad reality is that TV prosperity ministries, has become nothing more than a sales pitch gimmickry. By polished sales men with sleazy smiles and dressy clothes selling people what is inevitably a false message. It might soothe the conscience to sleep, but it will never transport them to a celestial home.

 Where is the gospel message ? Where is the conviction where men trembled at the preaching of the word? Where is the reality of holiness and separation? Where is the truth about SIN.  Its ugliness,  and it power to separate the soul from God? Where is the message of fire and brimstone? Men might not like it but we need it. The cost is too great. Life is too short and eternity too long to be wooed to sleep. We all need the message that will arouse us out of our comfort zone , which will cut us to the heart and shock us to the realisation of our needs. The true gospel is not a matter of being positive or negative, But TRUTH and ERROR. The true Gospel brings conviction and change. The true gospel does not appeal to our flesh, its huts because it needs to.

 No Osteen does not want to upset his members with such messages, Keep them in the dark about their souls . Keep them content with a coffee cup, a smile and a soothing message of peace and comfort.

 1 Thes 5: 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape

 In the end it is going to cost a lot of people far more than just a coffee cup as a reminder.

2 Tim 4: 20 Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick

Praying for the sick has always been part of Christian ministry.  It is both Biblical and normal.  As a Christian I can affirm that God can and does answer the prayer of the sick.  So this article is not based on some anti healing stance.  But it is the acknowledgement that as Christians we do need far more wisdom and practical common sense when praying for the sick.

James 5: 15  And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him

So while praying for the sick is encouraged, not even the apostle Paul could heal on demand. 

This article drew my attention recently, especially considering who the pastor of this movement is.  So once again the whole controversy of healing has cropped up.

At least six people have died in Britain after being told that they had been healed of HIV, and could stop taking their medication.

There is evidence that evangelical churches in London, Manchester, Birmingham and Glasgow are claiming to cure HIV through God.

We sent three undercover reporters into the Synagogue Church of All Nations (SCOAN) , which is based in Southwark, south London.

All of them told the pastors that they were HIV positive. All were told that they could be healed.

Once a month the church has a prayer line, where people from across Europe come to be cured of all kinds of illness.

At registration they have to hand over a doctor’s letter as evidence of their condition

They are filmed giving before and after testimonies, which are put on SCOAN’s website.

The healing process involves the pastor shouting, over the person being healed, for the devil to come out of their body, and spraying water in their face.

One of the pastors, Rachel Holmes, told our reporter, Shatila, who is a genuine HIV sufferer, they had a 100% success rate.

“We have many people that contract HIV. All are healed.”

She said if symptoms such as vomiting or diarrhoea persist, it is actually a sign of the virus leaving the body.

“We’ve had people come back before saying ‘Oh I’m not healed. The diarrhoea I had when I had HIV, I’ve got it again.’ I have to stop them and say ‘no, please, you are free.'”

SCOAN told our reporters they would be able to discard their medication after their healing and that they would be free to start a family.

Former health secretary Lord Fowler, who led the HIV/Aids awareness drive in the 1980s, says this message is dangerous.

“It is foolish advice and it is tragic advice because the consequences of this kind of advice can only be that people pass on HIV and can only be seriously bad for the individual concerned – including death.”

Medical professionals have told Sky News of at least six patients who have died after being told by various churches to stop taking their HIV tablets.

Emmanuel came off his medication a year ago, on the instructions of a pastor at his church in North London.

“He told me I’d been healed: ‘You’ve got to stop taking the medicine now. I’ll keep praying for you. Once God forgives you then the disease will definitely go.'”

Emmanuel admits he suspects he may have passed his HIV onto his boyfriend.

“Yeah, I think I’ve passed it on. He got ill. Physically he’s lost some bit of weight. He’s very small. I think he’s worried… Yeah I feel guilty, if I’m the one who passed it onto him I’m feeling guilty. Yeah very much guilty.”

The Synagogue Church of All Nations is wealthy. It has branches across the globe and its own TV channel.

On its website it promotes its anointing water, which is used during the healing, and it also makes money from merchandise, such as DVDs, CDs and books.

Church members are expected to give regular donations.

It is also a registered UK charity. The Charity Commission is looking at our findings.

The Department of Health says it is very concerned: “Our advice is clear that faith and prayer are not a substitute for any form of treatment, especially for HIV treatment.”

Sky News asked the church for its response to our investigation. Here is its statement:

“We are not the Healer; God is the Healer. Never a sickness God cannot heal. Never a disease God cannot cure. Never a burden God cannot bear. Never a problem God cannot solve.

“To His power, nothing is impossible. We have not done anything to bring about healing, deliverance or prosperity. If somebody is healed, it is God who heals.

“We must have a genuine desire if we come to God. We are not in position to question anybody’s genuine desire. Only God knows if one comes with true desire. Only God can determine this.

“That is why, if anybody comes in the name of God, we pray for them. The outcome of the prayer will determine if they come genuinely or not

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/churches-told-dying-patients-were-cured-034935993.html

 IT IS NOT A SIN TO SEEK VERIFICATION OF A HEALING!

SCOAN’s or The Synagogue, Church Of All Nations is pastored by T.B.Joshua Whose church is situated in Nigeria.    Both the Pastor and the church have had a cloud of controversy hanging over it for some time.  Maybe the worst part is that many are learning their trade from TV evangelist, Building mega churches, coupled with big claims, an over the top positive messages and money making schemes.

However the idea that one must prove ones faith by giving up the medication as some act of faith has been disastrous.  There are countless grave yards filled by people who claimed healing or were told they were healed; persuaded that they no longer needed life saving medication; Only to die of the disease they were told they were cured of.   This has done nothing but brought reproach to the name of Jesus and the work of the gospel.  The fact that people have been healed via prayed should never be in doubt.  However wisdom also demands that verification should not be seen as a lack of faith.  Medication should never be stopped until ones healing are verified.  God is as much in the skill of the hands of a surgeon as he is in healing a wrecked body.  God is not embarrassed by someone confirming their healing.  Even Jesus told the people he cured to go to the priests.  Like many faith healers when the healing does not occur they blame everyone except themselves.  The excuses range from you lacked faith, or its Gods responsibility.  Or the symptoms are really the devil trying to put that sickness back on you.  So everyone else’s fault but their own.

Every so often a church or ministry pops up about healing services.   Often wild claims of healing are boasted.  Sadly few can be authenticated and far too many are exposed as fraud.   God is not glorified by lies or deception.  Today the techniques used to implement many of these healing services are recognized.  The hype and anticipation of a service; the type of music used; the long period of repetitive style of music which dulls the sensitivity.  The style of preaching that almost guarantees miracles will happen.  All can become part of the drama that can lure the average person into believing something has happened, when nothing has changed.

The sad and sordid story of ministries who have been based on healing has been both tragic and scandalous.

Those who were unable to bring healing to themselves.

John Osteen, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Houston – his wife, Dodie got liver cancer and through the mercy of God and medical attention survived.

Frederick K. Price, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Los Angeles – his wife, Betty got cancer and was medically treated (chemo-therapy) and by the mercy of God was patched up.

Jamie Buckingham, Discipleship Movement & charismatic author – died of cancer. Jamies too was under a medical doctors care.

Charles Capps, Word of Faith teacher, teaches power of our words to create reality – his wife got cancer and was medically treated.

John Wimber, Signs & Wonders Movement, author of “Power Healing,” –  died from cancer. He too, was medically treated – no “power” healing for him, only chemo-therapy.

Mack Timberlake, Word of Faith pastor – suffering from throat cancer, getting medical attention.

R.W. Schambach, Faith Healer – got a quadruple heart bypass (from a real live human doctor)

Dr. Hobart Freeman, Word of Faith teacher & pastor of Faith Assembly – over 90 people died in his church following his teaching and then Hobart died due to a medically treatable disease.

Prophet Keith Grayton, Prophetic Movement – died of the complications of AIDS
He spoke at our Church in Detroit, and declared he was totally healed. He died a year or so later.

Kenneth Hagin, “father” of the Word of Faith Movement – sister died of cancer, (he wears glasses) Hagin’s great faith and special anointing could not keep her on the planet. Hagin  recently died in a “cardiac intensive care unit from the very condition he claimed he was healed from.

Katherine Khulman – an acknowledged divine healer DIED from heart disease in Ann Arbor Michigan.
A.A. Allen – an acknowledged divine healer and exorcist DIED from alcohol & drug abuse.

Aimee Semple McPherson – an acknowledge divine healer – died of a barbituate overdose. Why was she taking pills in the first place? Wasn’t the “peace” of God enough for her?

Jack Coe – an acknowledged divine healer DIED from disease.

Lonnie Frisbee -Died from AIDS in 1993,

Todd Bentley – Despite his many claims he was unable to heal his marriage.  One particular cancer patient who was kneed in the groin by Todd was later to have died from his illness.

Benny Hinn –  Has also been seen wearing glasses. Sadly he too was unable to save his marriage.

 Almost all of these ministries in one form or another were based around the same principle of confession, naming and claiming. The basic premise that God is bound by what we do and say.

 Some went so far as to reject medicine, doctors and treatment because it was a sign of lack of faith.  Some who had not received their healing on cue simply lied and went about telling people they were healed when no such healing had taken place. Others spend quite a bit of time running back and forth, from one healing minister to another to acquire that all important healing.  When the one person they should be talking it over with is never consulted.

What is needed is to learn from these men’s failure, and make a real difference as to how we conduct healing services.

Healing is based not on mans failure but in God faithfulness.

 Practical wisdom was all that was needed.  True faith in God rests the matter with God.

No minister should make a promise , if he is not the one to provide the cure.

No minister should ever tell anyone to give up medication until the healing has been proven.

No minister should make excuses for lack of results.

No minister needs to see himself or God in conflict with the medical establishment.

All ministers must recognise that healing comes in Gods time and not ours.  If a surgeon heavenly or earthly is Gods chosen hand, then we must be prepared to say Amen to it.

It must also be recognised that God does not heal on cue.  He is no mans debtor nor any mans servant.

Healing is not prime time TV.

Annise Parker, the newly-elected happens-to-be-lesbian mayor of Houston was sworn in Monday and the opening prayer was given by … Rev. Joel Osteen.  

Houston Mayor Annise Parker, right,, holds hands with her partner Kathy Hubbard, left,

Is your head spinning? Osteen heads the nation’s most mega of evangelical non-denominational megachurches, Lakewood Church in Houston where about 45,000 people cycle through a revamped sports stadium for services every weekend.

Osteen has been all over telling folks (Larry King, Whoopi Goldberg) for years that homosexuality is not “God’s best.” I presume he means “God’s best choice” because otherwise I’m lost in the dropped or implied rest of the sentence. But “God’s best” is phrase Osteen never finishes so I’m just guessing.

Yet, Osteen hasn’t joined the more strident wing of the religious right in damning gays. Indeed, Osteen takes heat from other evangelicals who condemn him for not laying down a line of fire about sin of any kind. That’s not his style, says the preacher known for his broad smile and sermons that God wants you to be happy. Osteen’s best seller was titled, Your Best Life Now.

Article by Grossman, USA TODAY 

UC Ministries:

Should all this surprise us?  Not for a second.   Osteen by definition is basically what you would call a “motivational speaker”, he likes to give people what they want to hear.  The integrity of the gospel means very little to him.  He is what the Bible calls a hireling.  He is in it for the money and the fame.   Joel Osteen is very much into the prosperity Gospel as was his father John Osteen.

“Joel’s father, John Osteen, was into the word faith teaching of Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland. In late 1998-99 he became sick. The church that was also trained in word faith philosophies began their positive confessions saying, “God has promised him that he will be preaching into his early 90’s, and he is only 77 now. God gave him a vision for “Seven Years of Harvest”, and we are just beginning our 6th year of this special thrust for world evangelism. God has promised our staff that He will bring our pastor’s kidneys on a platter of praise. The God who began this universe as a mighty Creator is creating what our Pastor needs in his body” (Lakewood Church prayer request Jan 19, 1999). Two weeks later, John Osteen died. On the other hand, his wife Dodie Osteen has written a book on how she was she was miraculous healed from metastatic cancer of the liver after doctors had given up hope (it is reported  that this was accomplished through medicine).

In his book Joel Osteen writes of his mother’s battle with cancer: “She gets up every morning and reviews those same Scriptures on the subject of healing. She still speaks those words of faith, victory, and health over her life. She won’t leave the house until she does it. Beyond that, she loves to remind “Mr. Death” that he has no hold on her life. Every time my mother passes a graveyard, she literally shouts out loud, “With long life He satisfies me and shows me His salvation!” (Osteen: “Israelites Lacked Faith–Future Robbed”—Christianity Today Posted to Spiritual Deception for May, 2005 in “Thou Shalt Not Be Negative: Overly Positive Thinking and Prosperity Teaching Undermine Joel Osteen’s Bestseller” reviewed by Douglas LeBlanc, 04/14/2005).”

Like all positive confession teaching what they confess they hope to possess.  Otherwise it is ones confession that heals not God.  This is nothing more than witchcraft,  The subtle manipulation of scriptures.  They have turned the Bible into a book of spells.  Say the right words (spell)  and you can have whatsoever you desire.  The trouble is it does not work.  There are fields of gravestones which testify to that sad reality.    Not only that but it also becomes a form of superstition.  When a negative word is spoken many will run to speak a positive word in an effort to over come the results of the negative confession.  This is not liberty but bondage to ones flesh.  We are living in the last days and things like what has been revealed can only continue.    

If these TV mega church corporations  saw  their pastors get genuinly saved tommorow there would be a mass exodus.  Gone would be the happy clappy message of comfort and ease.  In would come the preaching of the truth which would convict and stir their souls.   Two things would happen either the church would throw the pastor out  or he would watch his congregation leave.  The purse strings which is the real god behind this movement  would shrink tighter than a drum.    The simple reality is that MONEY is everything.  They associate wealth with spiritual blessing.  The richer they are the more they believe they are blessed.

Rev 3: 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

However God has an altogether different view of their lives.  It should be noted that Rev 3: 17 is a reference to a very positive statement.  But their true condition is nothing like what they confessed.

 

Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyers, Todd Bentley & Pat Robertson have in common with a Mad Scientist, Frankenstein, Bride of Frankenstein, Dracula and the Wolf Man? They’re all Monsters! (of preaching a false doctrine and bringing many to hell)  From WretchedRadio.com  &  JustinPeters.org

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