There can no doubt that satan has managed to pull off one of the greatest con tricks since the snake spoke to Eve in the garden.  He has done it so masterfully that now countless Christians have come to hate a title which God now bestows on them.  In fact he has been so successful that whenever this term is used throughout in the Bible it is now overshadowed by an incident that was meant to have taken place in Gen 6.

Gen 6: 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose

For many this meant that angels went in and had sex with women.  The results were giants and when these giants died they became the demons we know of today.  But this has to be far from the truth.

Jude 1: 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

The term “sons of God” must fundamentally speak of a relationship with God.  The moment these angels rebelled they would have ceased to have a relationship with God. So the term sons of God cannot be used of them from that moment onwards, yet in Gen 6: 2 God continues to call these individuals sons of God even as they entered into marriage with the daughters of men.  It was only after what took place within those marriages that the term sons of God cease to be used. 

Gen 6: 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Instead of SONS OF GOD, God declares “My spirit shall not always strive with “man”.  The relationship with God became strained and broken.  From that moment onward the term was not used.

Many use the term sons of God to apply uniquely to angels.  Yet that cannot be supportive.  However for the sake of arguments let’s say that this was the case in these verses?

Job 1: 6 Now there was a day when the sonsofGod came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them

Job 2: 1 Again there was a day when the sonsofGod came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD

Job 38: 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sonsofGod shouted for joy?

Dan 3: 25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the SonofGod

Certainly many recognisable scholars recognise that the term is used of angels in those verses.   However I could also attribute some to apply to humans as well.  However for the sake of this thread we will go with angels.

What can we say about them?  Is there any indication that the use of the word is vilified of fallen angels?  NO , in fact if anything it presents a picture of those who continued to have a living and glorious relationship with the living God,  yet because of misunderstanding of Gen 6 the terms SONS OF GOD has become vilified and hated and applied to fallen angels who desperately needed to have sex with human women.  So vilified in the minds of individuals one would wonder why God would even use the term to apply to those who continued in good standing with God angels or otherwise.    Maybe he knows something we don’t.

Because when we come to the New Testament God has this to say.

Luk 3: 38 Which was [the son] of Enos, which was [the son] of Seth, which was [the son] of Adam, which was [the son] ofGod

The very fact that Adam is called SON OF GOD means that the term is not used uniquely for angels, and from the beginning was used of humans as well.  Why was Adam called a son, because he had a relationship with God? Is it by any chance that the term son of God may have been carried on by those who had a relationship with God?  The New Testament would suggest it was.

Gal 4: 6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father

John 1: 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sonsofGod, [even] to them that believe on his name

Why would we be called sons of God, because the term applies to those who have been brought into a living and glorious relationship with God.  What was lost in the garden has indeed been restored.

Jesus himself was called a son of God and he was no angel.  But he did have a relationship with his father.

Luk 4: 9And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the SonofGod, cast thyself down from hence.


Now you can see how satan has skilfully and maligned a glorious title, turned it on its head to apply to those who have ceased to have a relationship with God.

What a stroke of genius on his part.  So that when we come to the believer being called by that same name in the New Testament it is already overshadowed as being something less than honourable.  It is belittled and viewed with much contempt by many.  The fact that there are a few writers who have spent a lot of money writing books on glorifying these fallen angels, they have been so skilfully manipulated and blinded to the fact that they have demeaned a glorious title which God himself gives.  Even worse they are unaware that satan is using them to promote his agenda as the accuser of the brethren.    They do much service to his cause.

  1. No one “hates” the term “sons of God,” and we do recognize that IN Christ, we are now “sons of God.” But we have become “sons of God” because we have been ADOPTED into the family. Only Adam was referred to as a “son of God” in Luke 3 (besides obviously Jesus who was actually God in the Flesh).

    The angels, whether fallen or still serving God, however, ARE “sons of God.” You said, “The term ‘sons of God’ must fundamentally speak of a relationship with God. The moment these angels rebelled they would have ceased to have a relationship with God.”

    That is incorrect, as the Hebrew term for “sons of God” does NOT speak about one’s “relationship” with God. The term is “Bene HaElohim,” which means, “a direct creation of God.” This is why Adam is the only one from before Christ to be referred to as a son of God in the genealogy of Jesus, because God literally stooped down and formed Adam WITH HIS OWN HANDS. Yes, God does “knit us together in the womb,” as the Psalms state, but we are the products of the natural functions God put in place for us to reproduce. In our fallen nature, we are NOT sons of God, but are sons of Adam; as Paul states, it is only through the Second Adam that we can be made right with God. As John states (1:12), it is only by Christ that we can BECOME sons of God, adopted into the family.

    The term “sons of God” for the angels and Adam refers to their PHYSICAL relationship with God, not their standing with Him.

    Many people try to make the claim based on Genesis 6:3 that it was because of man and not angels that God was angered. Yet, they fail to look at the nature of the corruption that had occurred. God was saying His Spirit would no longer remain in them BECAUSE of what the fallen angels had done; they had corrupted man’s genetics and he no longer was in the image of God. In Genesis 6:9 we learn why Noah found favor with the Lord, because he was “PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS.” The word for “perfect” is “tamiym,” which means, “without blemish.” It is the technical word for bodily and physical perfection, NOT moral. Because of this, it is the word used of animals regarding sacrificial purity, rendered as “without blemish” in Exodus 12:5; 29:1; Leviticus 1:3, 10; 3:1, 6; 4:3, 23, 28, 32; 5:15, 18; 6:6; 9:2, 3; 14:10; 22:19; 23:12, 18; Numbers 6:14: 28:19, 31; 28:2, 8, 13, 20, 23, 29, 32, 36; Ezekiel 43:22, 23, 25; 45:18, 23; 46:4, 6, 13. It is rendered “without spot,” in Numbers 19:2, 28:3, 9, 11; 29:17, 26. It rendered as “undefiled,” in Psalm 119:1. Animals do not sin, they are just animals, so the sacrifices were to be PHYSICALLY PURE.

    This shows that Genesis 6:9 does NOT speak of Noah’s moral perfection, but tells us that he and his family alone had preserved their pedigree and kept it pure, in spite of the prevailing corruption brought about by the fallen angels.

    Lastly, take a serious look at just how much creation was corrupted. The days preceding the Flood of Noah were terribly fearful times for this planet. The corruption was so great that “it grieved [the Lord] at His heart” and He was sorry that He had made man (Genesis 6:6-7). There is much speculation as to why the Lord was sorry for making man, but when one understands what type of corruption this was, there is no mystery. God made man in His own image and that image had been marred and all except Noah and his family were no longer human (i.e. Genesis 6:9, Noah was perfect in His generations). Man had been fully destroyed genetically by this initial intrusion by the fallen angels; yet, it was not just man, but it was the whole of the creation. The Lord was sorry that He had made “both man and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air” (Genesis 6:7), and ALL flesh was corrupt (Genesis 6:12). The word for “corrupt” means “to destroy by being debased,” and is likened to a shirt stained too badly to be worn or a clay pot marred in the very production process, making it unusable. This is contrasted with man being clay in the hand of the potter (see Jeremiah 18:1-6), as the corruption during the time of Noah was so great that absolutely nothing could be done except destroy everything.

    Animals do not sin, it is man that sins and it was against man that the curse was pronounced; in fact, in most cases, the Lord has mercy upon the animals while pronouncing judgment on man (see Numbers 22:32-33). Yet, at the time of Noah, the corruption was so great that God’s wrath was kindled against even the animal kingdom. This was clearly much more than just moral corruption and depravity; all flesh was physically corrupted, and indeed, in Genesis 6:9, the word used in saying Noah was “perfect in his generations” was “tamiym.” This word, as detailed above, was used in describing physical perfection. “Tamiym” was ALSO the word specifically used of the lamb for the Paschal sacrifice, which had to be physically pure. Noah’s bloodline had not been corrupted by this initial intrusion before the flood.

    Please see my full teaching on this, available for free on YouTube, entitled, “The Hidden History of Planet Earth and the Return of the Nephilim.”

  2. The theory that angels could at will corrupt manking should stagger anyones immagination. The fact of the matter is that it strikes at the heart and nature of God. Who appears to stand powerless in the face of such corruption. The fact that there is no evidence that fallen angels would marry never mind produce offspring. Gods command that everything should bring forth after its kind is violated and thrown into question.

    Even as assertion by many who follow this teachings that tall people could continue to be the result of fallen angelic minipulation is laughable. The fact that Adam himself was called a son of God certainly leaves open that the sons of God were not just fallen angels.

    Greater still is the assetion that God would punish the victimes of such crimes rather than the fallen angels. Who do not get a mention in Genesis. God is then protrayed as a vindictive God taking out his wrath on the victims rather than the offenders. Scripture makes it clear they were guilty not because someone tampered with their genes, but because they were sinful and guilty as charge. The moment we accuse angels of doing the dirty deed the ramification follows its way back to God himself. Like a set of dominos the eventual results is that God very nature comes under attack. His justice is marred, His holiness would be placed in doubt. For God is forced to stand by whilst his creation is raped and perverted by his own creation. Even here we see in the book of Job were satan the prime rebelious angels having to ask persmission before he can even touch Job. yet we are to believe that minor angels can get away wiith something which even their own commander cannot.

    Man is then seen as the victim and is let of the hook. How can God judged righteously if mans behaviour was simply the result of someones elses sin. Man would no longer be made in the image of God but the image of some fallen angel. .The innocent are then charged as the guilty party and are punished accordingly.

    What makes this wickedness even more wicked is the belief as some have suggested that the children of such unions then become the demons who survive the flood. This runs contrary to the life span which God himself places on Mankind. Now are we to believe that God got his figures wrong.

    There are many who propose that as there were giants after the flood , and in some ways because there are tall people today, there has to be a continual rebelion of angels from the ranks. For no other reason than to have sex with women. The ambition it seems for the copulation and nothing more. Wow what a goal to fall away for!!!!

    The assertion that anyone who is seen as the product of such copulation upon their death then become demons and are added to the ranks of the fallen. In such a senario these people would have to be placed beyond the pale of Gods grace. Yet the Bible says that God so loved the world that he gave, it does not say that some have to be excluded because they are the children of angels.

    It seems that at every turn scripture is thrown to one side, ignored and circumvented in order to prop up this theory.

    • God doesn’t appear powerless by what took place, and no, modern “tall” people are NOT Nephilim. The Nephilim were at a minimum of about 13 feet, and many were as tall as 30 to 150 feet, which was the height of the cedars of Lebanon (i.e. the Amorites, see Amos 2:9). Now, tell me, how do good people marrying bad people cause 150 foot tall guys?!! That’s IN the Bible too, not the extrabiblical books!

      You’re completely wrong; at every turn Scripture is thrown to one-side, ignored, and circumvented in order to prop up the Crap-Shoot Sethite Theory. For one, if the Nephilim were the offspring of the godly sons of Seth and the wicked daughters of Cain, then WHY were the women mentioned in the passage CLEARLY THE VICTIMS?! The Sethite View would have us believe that godly men forcibly took and raped wicked women; nowhere does it say that the women seduced anyone, but the women in passage were TAKEN BY FORCE, against their will (i.e. THEY took them wives of all which THEY CHOSE).

      Pretty much your entire comment is the same old crap continually spewed, which I explain COMPLETELY in my video teaching on YouTube in my first comment. How about you actually heed the words of the Bible, and just watch my full teaching before raving on and on. Proverbs 18:13, “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.”

      I want to know what you have to say about the word-study I do regarding the word “oiketerion,” connected with the statement that Jesus made when He Himself quoted the Book of Enoch. If simply want to get right to that rather than watching the whole study, then just SKIP TO THE 30 MINUTE MARK AND WATCH TO THE END. That’s where I get into the New Testament. The word “oiketerion” irrefutably proves that the “sons of God” were angelic beings.

      You may think you’re doing people a favor, but you’re not. There are many people who are being hurt both physically and spiritually by so-called extraterrestrials (i.e. fallen angels) who are engaging in this practice again. At the base of Mount Hermon (Caesarea Philippi), where the fallen angels first came down, Jesus was declared as the Messiah at the end of His ministry. He, the Good Shepherd, stood in front of an altar to the pagan “god” of shepherds Pan, which was just across from a place called the Gates of Hades and another place called the Fortress of Nimrod. Nimrod was the first antichrist who brought about the second incursion of fallen angels, attempting to set up that one world government again at Babel. Jesus knew the war we would be thrust in as the Church, and declared at that moment that if man was to come after Him, he had to deny himself, take up his cross daily and follow Him. You need to stop being so consumed with yourself, and start helping people who are being hurt. People are looking for answers, and the Church right now is largely ignoring them, and they will be deceived into accepting this beings as benevolent space-brothers by the New Age Movement. Colleen Thomas, Barbara Marciniak, and others have MILLIONS of followers.

      Also, Douglas James Mahr, who wrote “Voyage to the New World,” and was one of the founders of the New Age Movement, read Dr. Chuck Missler’s and Dr. Mark Eastman’s book, “Alien Encounters,” and saw these beings for who they really were, fallen angels. He stepped out of the movement, and came to know Christ. L.A. Marzulli has also come out of the New Age Movement to Christ as a result of this. Also, check out this woman’s testimony of how she came to know Christ at the following website:

      If you people had it your way, there would be many who would still be on the road to destruction. How many people has the Sethite View brought to Christ? Zilch. So, to check the two theories in accordance to fruit, the “sons of God” in Genesis 6 were angelic beings.

  3. The difficulty here is that I am simply quoting from what others believe who do believe in the sons of God being angels. They too would argue with you concerning some of their conclusions. It seems that as a theory pro advocates vary wildly.

    Some have even written books promoting these bizarre theories. Nevertheless the facts would indeed promote a powerless God unable to acts, Who stands watching as these mere angels are allowed to have their way with his creation. An issue you seem unwilling to answer. If satan himself had to get permission to even touch Job, yet other lesser angels are able to do as they will without such permission should make any lover of scripture question the validity of such teachings.

    Why would rebellious angels even contemplate Marriage when this is the mandated by God. No there can only be one answer these sons of God were men and not angels.

    Michael it does appear that you are drawing on extra Biblical knowledge which seems common among those who embrace this heresy. The Book of Enoch is utter rubbish. So it is very unlikely that Jesus would have quoted from it. Few if any would arrive at some of these preposterous theories without such extra biblical teachings. The drive among many to push this damnable heresy is remarkable. Almost to a man when debating this subject , even when their is an insistence that they don’t draw on extra biblical teachings , it becomes clear they do. The Book if Enoch almost always plays a part.

    The need to excuse mans own sinfulness and blame on someone else is simply typical among Christ rejecting souls.

    It has to be remembered that testimonies by so called abductees is not on the same par as scripture. You may not realize it but you are placing someones else suffering on the same par as scripture or even greater. That cannot happen. It also appears that there is an underlying resentment by many who promote this teaching against anyone whose opinions are contrary to their own. As I have debated this issue numerous times in the past it is both clear and troubling why this should be. Yes scripture is inevitable made to fit the theory rather the theory fit scripture.

    • No, it does NOT show God as being powerless. The angels have free will; so do humans. Yes, He predestines and knows end from the beginning but free will does exist. We cannot understand this in full because we exist withing spacetime. But God created spacetime, and He exists OUTSIDE of the domain of spacetime; thus, there is no paradox, though it seems like one to us. Remember, we see through a glass darkly and only know in part.

      God is in control, and He gives everyone free will (angels included). Consider this, Jesus said in Matthew 22:30 that the angels in heaven don’t marry. Well, what’s the point in making that a law (which He did) if angels were incapable of even going against it?? If angels are incapable of going against it, then there would be no need for that law, but it was a law, as He said laid precedence for that principle as being in the Scriptures. Well, the only place you find that principle, that the angels in heaven don’t marry, happens to be in the book of Enoch, chapter 15, verse 7, in a virtually identical statement to that which Christ made to the Sadducees. Face it, dude, Jesus Himself called it Scripture, and He and the disciples were obviously familiar with it during Peter’s famed confession of faith, declaring Jesus as the Messiah at the base of Mount Hermon where the fallen angels first came down.

      They came down in an attempt to thwart the plan of God, as Satan knew from the Genesis 3:15 promise that the Messiah would come from mankind. That the Messiah would be a Kinsman-Redeemer; that’s all Satan knew at that time. As God narrowed it down, we see Satan focus his attacks even more. Satan focused his attacks on Abraham, then focused his attacks on Jacob’s son, he focused his attacks on the line of David many times, and many more instances in-between and after that. Satan will NEVER win, as God is all-knowing and all-powerful, but Satan is consumed with pride and is a madman who actually believes he can defeat God. Remember the “I” statements in Isaiah? Satan declared, “I will be like the Most High.”

      Also, remember, in the end, Satan will convince the entire world to actually GO TO WAR with God Almighty Himself. That is startling, but it is exactly what Psalm 2 and Revelation each state.

      I do use the book of Enoch, but I don’t consider it inspired. It’s just clear that it was considered very valuable historically speaking and was used by Jesus and the disciples extensively. And, I structured my teaching in a way that it irrefutably proves the Bene HaElohim were angelic beings and the parts with the book of Enoch are few and not needed to keep a strong case. If you would watch my teaching, you would know that. But you are clearly prejudiced against the truth, and you will have to answer to Jesus for that one day.

      And, just how is this a heresy?!! Paul was clear in Galatians chapter 1 that only those who deny the Gospel itself are to be anathema (or accursed as heretics). 1 Corinthians 15:1-5 states that the Gospel is by which we are saved, and by which we stand, and that it is that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that He was buried, and that He was resurrected on the third day according to the Scriptures. THAT is the Gospel, and anyone who denies THAT is a heretic, NO ONE ELSE. If someone believes the Gospel, they are not a heretic; please, don’t use “heresy” or “false doctrine” so flippantly. Just because you disagree with something, that does not make it heretical.

      And, by the way, a believer’s own testimony regarding how they came to know Christ is one of the most powerful assets we have. One of the first things missionaries tell people is how they themselves came to know Christ. You’re blatant disregard for the testimonies of L.A. Marzulli, Douglas James Mahr, and the one I linked to is very disingenuous of you, and you will have to answer to God for that as well.

      ALSO, I didn’t post ANY testimonies of contactees or abductees. It is clear by each post you have made that you have not taken the time to look into any of what I have posted. WATCH my entire teaching… READ the entire testimony I linked to.

      AND, explain your stance on the word “oiketerion.” The word-study on “oiketerion” is in the canon it IRREFUTABLY proves my point. And you have ignored it in every post.

  4. First comes the excuses, then comes the threatenings. My oh My have you lost this plot big style. First of all you have not proven your case. We agree that God is indeed all powerful and for that very reasosn is why this heretical teachings is debunked. God does not victimise the victims but pronounced judgement on the wicked because they are wicked. Your theory would have God victimise the innocent simply because they were victims. Also I am in no mood to work through some video that has already been debunked . You have not stated your case at all. As for the free will of angels. Its seems that can do whatever they like while their commander and chief the god of the age cannot. Sorry that does not work for me.

    AS for the LAW that angels do not marry. Who says it was a law. It was a statement that angels dont Marry, are not given in marriage. So the need for reproduction does not exist. Sorry Michael NO sperm to do the buisness with. The ability to eat food is a far cry from the ability to reproduce against Gods command. As every creature will reproduce after its own kind. That which is spirit cannot reproduce after the flesh. NO CAN DO !!

    There are no Mr Angels waiting at home for Mr Angels to arrive back from his mission. The need for marriage will simply not be needed in the world to come. Book of enoch is most definetly heretical. Its rubbish!!!

    As I suspected it always comes back to the book of Enoch. What is the title of your book. I see you have a video, is there a book in the wings somewhere? because so far most of those who generally try to argue enevitable have some sort of book deal going. Money is also a major factor with some who try and promote this teaching. For anyone else is its not really a here or there.

    Testimonies no matter how nice still does not trump scripture. When it comes to truth. We must always come to the bar of scripture and judge all things against scripture. If it falls short then it must be questioned and if need be rejected.

    The very fact that the Sons of God as a term is used to speak of Adam, Jesus and the believers is clear and precise. Why would God continue to call people by a name that has such a bad reputation. I dont think it has. The moment any angels moved his position from God he would cease to be called a SON OF GOD. That would be long before any attempt to marry women. It makes no sense to believe that these sons of God were anything else but human. Where are we ever told of fallen angels standing at the alter to marry a human being anywhere in history.

    Whilst you refute that tall people in general are not the genetic copulation of fallen angels today, There are many who do from your own camp. So you say that these giants were 13 feet. Now at what point do you decide whose mother has been having if off with some present day fallen angels. What height would you inticipate such marital affair was taking place. 10 feet or more? Would their DNA comes up with any labels that says oh this is Angelic DNA. In which case you should be able to identify which fallen angels did the buisness and have them promply arrested.

    You talk about free will , but free will cannot bridge what Gods says cannot be bridged. All the free will in the world cannot produce what Gods says “NO CAN DO”. In this case the ability to reproduce after another kind. Monkeys did not become man, Ants did not become lions, Fish did not crawl out of the sea to become horses. Even when man tries to bridge such barriers its always limited to like species and always produces infertilility.

    Whilst you recognise that God is more powerfull, your very arguement says otherwise.

    • I never once threatened you with anything. You seriously need to get thicker skin if you can’t handle a simple discussion. It’s amazing just how easily you people get offended. And Jesus said that angels IN HEAVEN do not marry; He said nothing about the fallen angels. The fallen angels do not abide by the same rules that angels in heaven abide by…. If they did, they wouldn’t be fallen… duh.

      Also, since you refuse to look at it, the word “oiketerion” is ONLY used TWICE in the Scriptures. Once in Jude 6 as the heavenly state that fallen angels ABANDONED, and in 2 Corinthians 5:2 referring to the heavenly body that we as believers long to be clothed in. We desire what the fallen angels abandoned. What they left, what they disrobed from, we will be clothed in. Again, this reminds me of Jesus’s statement in Matthew 22, that in the resurrection we will be like the angels in heaven, not marrying; we will be like what the fallen angels left. That left that state in order to cause the corruption. There, debate over. Oiketerion indisputably proves my point.

      And, the Sethite view and various other theories did NOT even exist prior to the the 5th Century A.D. (500 years AFTER Christ). Julius Africanus contrived the Sethite view first as more comfortable ground because of attacks on the Church by Celsus and Julian the Apostate instead of standing up for what the Word of God said, and what ALL the early Church Fathers (i.e. Irenaues, Tertullian, Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, etc.) and early Jewish rabbis had believed for millennia. Your theory that you are espousing is a MUCH YOUNGER theory that didn’t even exist until FIVE HUNDRED YEARS AFTER CHRIST. Are you saying that everyone before the 5th Century A.D. were heretics??? That doesn’t make sense. LOL.

      Also, there is NOT sex between angels and humans going on today. BUT, hybrids ARE being created. Today, it is through genetical experiments to create hybrids that will look and pass as humans. Jesus prophesied this in his parable of the wheat and the tares; some have tried to allegorize this, BUT Jesus went on to explain that the field was THE WORLD, the field was NOT the church. It has nothing to do with people in the church just going through the motions, though there certainly are some; that’s another thing entirely. Check out this woman’s testimony of the AMAZING FREEDOM she has received, being set free from the grip of the Hybridization Program, since coming to Jesus Christ. Daniel prophesied the hybridization program as being a part of the coming kingdom of the Antichrist, saying, “they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men, but they shall not cleave to one another, even as iron is not mixed with clay” (Daniel 2:43). Hybridization has always caused much discord, which could explain the men being killed by the “beasts of the earth,” in Revelation, as the Greek in that passage describes rational beings as the beasts, so it is not ordinary animals. Also, the Antichrist will receive a fatal head wound, perhaps from a civil war between the fallen angels and the humans. I suggest you also watch the BBC documentary on YouTube “Madness in the Fast Lane,” which depicts 2 identical twin sisters who are either genetically-engineered supersoldiers OR modern-day Nephilim hybrids. But it is clear you are prejudiced against the truth, and against the Word of God.

  5. I still see no answer to the points I am making.

    Excusing the fact that if there is no marrying in heaven its because they never did have the ability to reproduce. In which case the theory collapses. If Angels are no longer carrying in such marriages today, then how can you claim that what took place then is the same as what is taking place today Clealry its not!!! So again your theory collapses. What is taking place in laborities today is a long way from actual creating hybrids. So once again the theory collapses. You theory is having to circumvent scripture to arrive at the result you claim.

    God lays down the law that every creature should reproduce after their own kind. Who says anyone can bridge this law. So you have to ignore that , excuse it by claiming that. fallen angels are supperior to God. rebellion and free will becomes the excuse to fit all arguements. But free will cannnot bridge what God says cannot without making the created greator than the creator

    If the fallen angels are locked up how come they were giants afterwards. Whose mother were they having sex with? Oh that means more angels had to rebel in order to fit the theory. believe me there are many out there with books promoting a constant senario of fallen angels who leave the ranks just for no other reason than because they have the hot for women. Its all foolishness.

    Tradition is what the Roman catholics point to in order to circumvent scripture. Even church fathers are not sola scripture. All must be judge against the bar of scripture and this theory cannot stand without extra Biblical teachings..

  6. Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    By your own acknowledgement there are no giants around today , there is no angels standing at the altar to marry and have kids with women. So it would seem to say you have debunked your own theory. Both of these factor have to exist in order to fulfill the prophecy.

    However all proponents of this crazy theory take a leap and go for the hybrid. But hybrid of itself still does not prove the validity of this teaching unless you can come up with numerous individuals who actually have the DNA of angels. Otherwise the theory collapses miserably. Having human DNA spliced with a cow simply does not provide anything like what took place in Genesis. Can a spirit actually have DNA to speak off? What does these hybrids produce that man has not already done all by himself. Violence you say, well what do you think Cain was doing to Abel.

    Again if violence is the result then mankind simply becomes the product of his genes. Unable to be anything else because he was tampered with. In which case you have just absolved man from his actions. An excuse used by many a psychopath. Yet again God judges man for his sin with no excuses. Why? Because he is responsible for his actions. As it was in Genesis God judged the actions of men, not angels. Man sin led man to his own doom. No where does the Genesis account seeks to blame angelic interference but mans own wickedness.

    Now what can be proven accurately is concerning the taking of numerous wives, having children which are brought up in violence and intolerance is Islam. Now Islamic teaching concerning women allows raping slavery and the dehumanization of women, including beatings. The Marrying of mere children to older men. The concept is that they will populate the world with Islamic children and thus inherit the world. In the process of which is the intolerance and killing of anyone who does not agree with their world view. Now that view fits a little bit better than angels having the hots for women.

    Experimentation by so called aliens based on individuals whose experiences are often only brought to light by hypnosis is questionable. Have you not heard of the false memory syndrome?
    Even if such intrusion did happen what did it produce? Is there any real proof that they were altered on a genetic level and what did it produce.
    Giants? You say no!!!!

    Violent people? We already have that.

    More intelligent people? A nasty accusation against people with higher IQs Just as bad as claiming someone who is tall as being the product of angelic interference.

    People who can fly like an angel? Never seen one yet.

    Corrupting the seed of the messiah? Too late he has already arrived.

    So really what’s the whole issue behind hybrids anyway? As a plan it has failed. Making men more ANGELIC? Definitely a big failure. As I have already said can that which is spirit really mix with flesh and blood?

  7. The plan behind modern hybrids?! It is Deception! Satan’s lie has always been that man can receive knowledge and be like gods. The Nephilim before the flood were an attempt to corrupt the line of the Messiah; the Nephilim after the flood were an attempt to do the same, but mainly to scare the Chosen People from the Promised Land so they would not bring the Messiah into the world. The modern day hybridization program promises mankind great knowledge, that he can be like gods, that he can live forever, etc. Transhumanism is also doing this same thing, genetically changing man, mixing him with animals, in an attempt to see into the higher dimensions, as animals perceive far more than humans.

    Also, the Mark of the Beast will most likely be the CLIMAX of the Hybridization Program. Dr. Roger Leir has done much research into the alien implants, and Dr. David Jacobs has done much research into the hybridization program. The alien implants seem to be PROTOTYPES for the coming “mark of the beast,” changing the very DNA of the individual. This would explain why, upon the opening of the bottomless pit and reemergence of the Antichrist and other fallen angels bound down there, that “men will seek death and not find it” and why acceptance of the mark when it is introduced will mean certain damnation and no more opportunity for repentance, just like the Nephilim in the Old Testament. Humans are always given the chance to repent, but Nephilim never are, and people who take the Mark will no longer be able to repent. They will also break out with loathsome sores.

    Daniel 2:43 can be depicted many ways, but ultimately, it has to do with one particular event that has occurred in the past and will be an instrumental part of the Antichrist’s coming kingdom, the return on earth the fallen angels in some way producing Nephilim once again. The Mark of the Beast could very well be one of the ways they will do this, changing people already alive into either Nephilim or animal-human chimeras.

    The planet is in for a wild ride…but no one has to go through the terrible times facing the world. There is a way of escape, if people will simply TRUST in the Lord Jesus Christ, Yeshua, and “escape all these things that are about to take place and to stand before the Son of Man” (Luke 21:36).

  8. The aspect that demons/ angels are promoting a deception is agreed upon. But the very fact that they are behind it means we should not make it a doctrine we can depend on. The fact that the fallen are the very ones promoting this theory of a hybrid human being, makes it even more important to reject such theories as doctrine of devils. Something which scripture makes clear will take place. How many testimonies of aliens/ demons experimenting on humans. That is their theory not ours. Their deception not scripture. Basically it is those who promote the sons of God / angels are the very people who are now embracing these demonic theories.

    How does having giants living in the Promised Land going to scare Israel away, they conquered the land. As for hybrids having greater knowledge, how can such knowledge come about by splicing man with a cow? Sorry but this does not convince me of this theory. Hybrid humans will not produce greater wisdom. In fact such wisdom, another deception is being promoted now by so called “SPIRIT GUIDES” . Whose contact with supernatural beings makes this whole hybrid theory obsolete. . So far you have not offered up actually proof of DNA of an angel. Even “ IF” it was possible which I highly doubt , would it really produce a wiser person?
    We already know how the antichrist will come about; It will be the same way as Judas was possessed. So again there is no need for a theory of angels creating hybrids. As I have already pointed out splicing a few genes is a long way from an actual 100% hybrid human being with angelic DNA. Can that which is spirit be spliced with human physical DNA? What would really be achieved by such a hybridization of human beings.

    Knowledge is learned process. Mankind has many very bright minds.
    Strength is worked at. Mankind has many very strong atheletes.

    The very fact that you are plugging for the hybridization program itself revelas that what took place in Genesis was something very different. Angels dont have human sperm!!! So it just will not work.

    Live and Death is in the hands of one person God. Eternal life is Gods prerogative not mans. The mark of the beast certainly is open to debate as no one knows for sure how this mark will be introduced. But if you promote the theory that man becomes something other than human, and therefore his character and nature is the product of genitive intervention. Otherwise they are what they are not because they have made a choice in the matter but are preconditioned that way. Then you have once again absolved mankind from their sin. God would then be judging the victims of such tampering for something which they themselves are not responsible. This becomes an immediate attack on the nature and integrity of God. It must hold God up to such contempt as an Unjust creator. Who would judge the innocent at the cost of the guilty.

    A man is knocked down at a busy cross roads. The man is injured to the point that he is crippled. The police are called. But it is not the guilty who are judged by their careless driving but the injured man. Who because he is now crippled is prosecuted because he can no longer walk. He is arrested prosecuted and hauled up before the judge. The judge throws the book at him. Now who would not stand up and cry injustice. ..Would your very nature revolt at such actions. Would not the papers do front page headlines and call for the sacking of the judge. Yet you would have us all believe that God himself judges the crippled man for what someone else has done. Prosecutes him and sends him to hell for no other reason than the guilt of someone else. Ie Fallen angels.

    So on all points your theory of the sons of God is well and truly debunked. It has more holes than a sieve.

    • And I am the one rejecting it, as they are masking it toward people withing the New Age movement and millions of others as being benevolent. You are doing nothing but HELPING SATAN HIMSELF promote the coming great deception. No, all of your SUPPOSED debunkings hold no water, as I have literally discussed nearly everything you have said in my video teaching in my first comment, “The Hidden History of Planet Earth and the Return of the Nephilim.” You’re just making yourself look stupid by arguing points that anyone who watches my FULL teaching will KNOW the answers to. On a side note, I saw you said nothing about my strongest point: the word-study on “oiketerion.”

      I’m through with this discussion; you are just unwilling to accept being wrong. Here’s a tip, it doesn’t matter if you have taught something all your life, because “no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” (2 Peter 1:20-21). You shouldn’t be afraid to change when the plain truth of the Word of God is staring you in the face.

      Goodbye. I’m through; I’ve given more than enough evidence. Anyone who thinks through the points logically in my video teaching will see you are just trying to be difficult.

  9. The way I see it there are more holes here than a sieve. In order to fill in the blank bits you have to turn to myths science fiction and doctrines of demons. All in some vain attempt to prop up this theory of angels wanting sex with women. Never mind the fact those who hold to this wacky theory are unable to explain the fact that spirits cant have human sperm. Are unable to reproduce, don’t marry, are incapable of holding down such a relationship. There is absolutly no reason for them to do so. Free will has absolutly nothing to do with how creation was created. If angels cant then there is nothing outside of a creator that will give them the ablity to do so. If they were created not to have children then they cant have children. In which case your theory cant even get out of the stalls

    Do you really believe that the entire rebelion of countless angels over the centuries was for the sole and only purpose was to have sex with women.

    You said at one point that it was to disrupt the line of the messiah. Yet the whole Giant theory has such relationships with a people other than the Jews. Long before hand scripture itself shows which line the messiah was going to come from. So we have these angels playing around with the wrong race . Looks pretty dumb to me. Then it became a plan was to scare the Jews from their home land as if God himself would tremble as such a ridiculous proposal. So they conquered these giants. Then you said that there are no such giants today and yet you have us believe that these angels would come back to try the same thing “ONCE AGAIN”. This also holds up the foolishness that if you just happen to be tall, tough luck you Mother has been having sex with some spirit. I know some godly Christians who are quite tall. Oh the hybrids wont produce giants. So again the circumstances change from Genesis and the excuses just keep going on and on.

    So where are the weddings of such angels with humans? Which church or registrar are they being married in. No you say it down to some laboratory experimentation. But that never happened in Genesis. The sons of God married these women not experimented on their DNA. If they could then what was the purpose of marrying them.

    You say you are the one that is rejecting it, and yet you are also the one promoting it as part of your theory that angels are experimenting to produce a human hybrid That is part of your theory which you say you reject. As we dont see the same circumstances of marriages or even having angels setting up home you are forced to come up with an alternative theory. You say that your video answers all my points, strange because you have not even tried to share them on this thread. CANT YOU SEE THE CONTINUAL CONTRADICTIONS. .

    Yes you should be willing to change when the truth has been pointed out to you. Your inability to answer any of my points only further shows that trying to prop up such wacky theories is just utter foolishness. Scripture continues to debunk you theories and yet you don’t seem to realise that you are agreeing with demons on what they are doing.

    The whole hybrid theory is a million light years away from reality and based only in the minds of science fiction writers. One minute you are saying that Angels are not having sex with women to produce giants and the next you are saying they will. For there to be a return then you will have to have a repeat of the same circumstance as Genesis. With another batch of angels falling just to have sex with women. This can only result in a bizzare theory that God just cant keep his angels in check.

    Angels probably exceed in beauty glory and life span than any human and yet they would forsake all this for a bit of hank panky with plain old dull human beings? WHO IS REALLY FALLING FOR DECEPTION MICHAEL?

    Personally this is another attack on the nature of God. Now who do you think actually comes up with such theories to make God look dumb? >>>>> His name starts with an “S”.

    That would then have the issue of which sons of God are you now referring too? The saved sons of God or angels sons of God. As far a prophecy goes I just do not see two groups of sons of God being predicted.


    I would personally urge you to rethink through the points that I have made.

    • I have never once attacked the nature of God NOR have I absolved or excused mankind from his sins. You have done nothing but lie about my character and my motives. The “sons of God” did NOT marry the women… it said that “they took them wives of all which THEY CHOSE.” They forcibly took young girls and basically gang-raped them… both for their own pleasure, but also for the ulterior motive of DESTROYING THE SEED OF MANKIND so the Redeemer would not come (Genesis 3:15). Today, the hybridization program is occurring as a mechanism to deceive the masses into accepting these beings as gods once again, promising man so-called prosperity and so-called knowledge. So NO, the entire rebellion of angels falling has NOT been to “have sex” with women, that was only one small part of the fallen angels. The fallen angels from Genesis 6 are currently BOUND in Tartarus (2 Peter 2; Jude 6-7), but the ones not involved in that corruption are still at large. They are still fallen, but they didn’t destroy man’s image of the Lord Most High like the ones bound did.

      Your comments are literally confusing me because I have never met anyone so clueless as to Genesis 6; God doesn’t look dumb at any point in what I have said. For you to even make that statement (or any of the statements you have made) shows you have not watched my video in my first comment. Unless an until you take the time to watch the ENTIRE video of mine, you will be continuing to sin. Yes, you will be sinning (see Proverbs 18:13). There’s no point in continuing this further.

  10. The ramifications of your theory does indeed attack God and make excuses for mankind sin. The inevitability of a wacky theory.
    Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them “WIVES “ of all which they chose.

    Genesis makes it clear they married them. WIVES is a word that refers to marriage. Marriage that involves polygamy. Which would make absolutely no sense if they were trying to mess about with DNA. Why enter a relationship and MARRIAGE, if all that was needed was some sort of experimentation. To have a repeat of Genesis you will have to have the same condition being met.

    So trying to create a hybrid has nothing do with marriage or what took place in Genesis. God makes it clear that man was responsible for their sin. Sin which you would excuse. If Mankind became something because of some weird experiment then they can’t be blamed for what they became. God does not blame ANGELS but MAN. To point the finger and say angels were responsible when God himself points to man, guess who I am going to believe!!!! You don’t charge the wrong people for a crime and judge them for what they were NOT responsible for, unless they are personally guilty.

    So the theory that this was trying to destroy the seed of mankind makes no sense. You don’t enter into a marriage relationship if you’re trying to destroy some future seed. That’s why the whole hybrid is one big excuse. No where do we see such fallen beings enter into a relationship.

    Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with MAN, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    God is not pointing his finger at some ANGELS but to MAN. Man is seen as being personally responsible for what took place. But Why if they are simply the product of someone else’s abuse?

    So you then would have God blaming the wrong party. I think God has his finger right on the button, But your theory makes God look dumb by blaming the wrong party. Gods says man was responsible, but you are saying NO ANGELS WERE RESPONSIBLE. God judges man for his sin. You say NO ANGELS WERE RESPONSIBLE. The result God judges the victims for the crime of some fallen angels. Now that would be dumb vindictive and abusive. Personally God was right in his judgement because the sin was mans.

    The question are you prepare to believe God or some wacky theory?

    • You’re acting as though the Bible was originally written in English. It was written in Hebrew and Greek, and the word for wives in the Hebrew text does not mean through marriage as we would think of it. Rather, it simply means two people who are together, either consensually or non-consensually.

      It does not make excuses for man’s sin BECAUSE man sinned in Genesis 3 with Adam. Man was already sinners for hundreds upon hundreds of years before Genesis chapter 6.

      And READ Genesis 6:3 IN THE CONTEXT. What happened in Genesis 6:1-2, the “Bene HaElohim” took the “Benoth Adam” as “wives” for themselves “of whomever THEY CHOSE.” It was not just one segment of females who were being taken, but it was EVERY female (not the “daughters of Cain”). The Hebrew literally means, “THE DAUGHTERS OF ADAM” (i,e. all mankind). If the “sons of God” were mere humans, then God would have been disappointed and grieved at man doing what He Himself commanded, marry, as the Hebrew makes no distinction in the women. Thus, YOUR VIEW brings God’s character into question.

      Genesis 6:3 thus says that His spirit would no longer remain in man; it would no longer remain in him because he was no longer in the image of God when he first was created when God first put His spirit into man. Mankind had become hybridized, and God was instituting the time of the judgment. The Nephilim were a race that were NOT in the image of God, which is why the punishment was on them.

      The angels WERE punished; Jude 6-7 and 2 Peter 2 clearly refer to Genesis 6. To say they do not is to simply ignore the Word of God.

      I am the one believing God. The Sethite view is the wackiest theory in existence. My parents and grandparents are the godliest people I know; my parents teach Sunday School, my grandparents used to teach Sunday School, and we talk about Scripture all the time together. What I am saying is what I believe based on my own study, but my family also believe this, and if they do, it has to be right because I see Jesus in them every day just by the way they raised my sister and me growing up. I’m currently in New Orleans working the Registration for the Southern Baptist Convention, so I will not be able to comment further. Up late, and up early for the whole week.

  11. EXCUSES UPON EXCUSES UPON EXCUSES MICHAEL, You seems to be unable to understand even the basic difference between justice and victimization, thus holding God up to ridicule and contempt. Sorry your parents may be nice folk but they are still not scripture. Do you even know what justice is? In fact can you even grasp that your wacky theories actually holds God up to ridicule. Disdain him as a helpless fool who was unable then or now to stop angels from rebelling on a continuous basis. The desperation to bend twist and contort scripture to say something other than what it teaches is remarkable and disturbing to see. What next vampires and alien invasions. Dr Frankenstein meets the werewolf. Mankind is not really human but the product of fallen angels .
    You say :

    “Genesis 6:3 thus says that His spirit would no longer remain in man; “

    It actually says:

    Gen 6:3 And the LORD said , My spirit shall not always STRIVE (1777) with man, for that he also [is] flesh : yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

    Most translations agree with this.

    Strongs says:
    1) to judge, contend, plead
    a) (Qal)
    1) to act as judge, minister judgment
    2) to plead a cause
    3) to execute judgment, requite, vindicate
    4) to govern
    5) to contend, strive
    b) (Niphal) to be at strife, quarrel

    No where does the idea of removing mans spirit from him. After the fall man spirit died in the sense he became alienated from the life of God. But he still had a spirit. Without which man would die.
    Rom 1: 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves.

    Rom 1: 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature

    Takes up this very same theme. That there comes a point that God will give a person over to their sin. He is under no obligation. if man desires to continue down a road that will lead to his own destruction so be it.

    Jam 2:26 For as the BODY WITHOUT THE SPIRIT IS DEAD, so faith without works is dead also.

    Man without a spirit will physically die. Sinful man does not have the spirit of God within him anyway.

    Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

    Where does the word SEX MARRIAGE or HAVING CHILDREN get mentioned in this verse? All it says is that they left their place of habitation i.e. they sinned and were judged by God and locked up. No one has freed or released them.

    So we have to have another leap of fantasy into the world of twilight and myths. Because this verse simply does not support your theories you have to fill in the blanks and make it say what clearly it does not.
    There is not one word about experimenting on mankind. Not one word that even says they had the ability to recreate what God created. To believe that angels can recreate man after their own image is glorifying Satan. Man is already being influenced by the god of this age, in which case there is absolutely NO rhythm of reason for any sort of Hybrid human. What will a hybrid achieve that he has not already achieved will less effort ?

    God made it clear that man was made in his image, but wait Michael is wiser than God. Man is now remade in the image of a spirit. So Noah gets saved on no other reason than he and his wife are the only ones still created in the image of God. Everyone else are goodness knows what. Wooooooo spirits …….UTTER FOOLISHNESS!!!!! If satan can achieve his aims to encourage man to rebel by disobedience, then the need of some sort of hybrid human is irrelevant. It is just pure fantasy!!!

    AGAIN YOU HAVE YET TO ANSWER ONE BASIC POINT. SO WE SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE SOME FALLEN ANGEL IN WHITE COATS IN SOME LAB EXPERIMENTING ON SOME HUMANS, Boy what films are you watching in the twilight hours. Michael it is simply not going to happen.

  12. Gen 6: 1-2 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them WIVES of all which they chose.

    Again Michael is wiser than even the translators. Lets see what it says.
    True the word can be translated “ women” in general . However over all the Hebrew word has been translated

    AV — wife 425, woman 324, one 10, married 5, female 2, misc 14 Overwhelmingly wife 425 X times as a apposed to only 324x times as a mere woman.

    New International Version (©1984)
    the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they MARRIED any of them they chose.
    New Living Translation (©2007)
    The sons of God saw the beautiful women and took any they wanted as their WIVES.
    English Standard Version (©2001)
    the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as THEIR WIVES any they chose.
    New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took WIVES for themselves, whomever they chose.
    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them WIVES of all which they chose.
    GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
    The sons of God saw that the daughters of other humans were beautiful. So THEY MARRIED any woman they chose.
    King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
    That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them WIVES of all which they chose.
    American King James Version
    That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them WIVES of all which they chose.
    American Standard Version
    that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them WIVES of all that they chose.
    Douay-Rheims Bible
    The sons of God seeing the daughters of men, that they were fair, took themselves WIVES of all which they chose.
    Darby Bible Translation
    that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and took themselves WIVES of all that they chose.
    English Revised Version
    that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them WIVES of all that they chose.
    Webster’s Bible Translation
    That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them WIVES of all whom they chose.
    World English Bible
    that God’s sons saw that men’s daughters were beautiful, and they took for themselves WIVES of all that they chose.
    Young’s Literal Translation
    and sons of God see the daughters of men that they are fair, and they take to themselves WOMEN of all whom they have chosen.

    This page also includes a number of commentaries from well known christians who would not see it as you have done. Although again its only their opinion . But they have taken it that these sons of God were indeed men.
    Source :

    What the scholars have to say on Genesis

    NEW KING JAMES VERSION Gen 6:2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they [were] beautiful; and they took WIVES for themselves of all whom they chose.
    NEW JERUSALEM BIBLE ( CATHOLIC ) the sons of God, looking at the women, saw how beautiful they were and MARRIED as many of them as they chose.


  13. Whatever, we finished with registration today, by the way, just hanging out in New Orleans right now.

    I trust my parents and grandparents study of the Lord’s Word who I ACTUALLY know, and ACTUALLY see their fruits for the Lord EVERY DAY. I don’t know you AT ALL. I don’t know how you treat your wife and kids, or if you even have a wife and kids. I don’t know a single thing about you. You may have a “biography” of yourself, but that doesn’t actually tell me who you are as a person; I don’t go to church with you or anything like that.

    The hybrid theory is by no means busted. You have a really big problem clarifying what you say as I cannot understand a word you have said. My parents and grandparents, when we have discussions as a family about the topic, actually make points that are easy to understand. Your points are scattered all over the place, almost like you’re desperate. ALSO, you claim in so many comments that the theory is busted, but you have YET to say ANYTHING about the word-study I gave on the Greek word, “OIKETERION.” You’re silence on that proves you are just trying to shift the focus away from my strong points and try to attack the points that I did not go into as much detail on. That is very disingenuous of you.

  14. That’s what I thought DONE DUSTED AND BUSTED!! Michael You come across as a nice young impressionable lad whose faith is more in his relatives than scripture. Theories have their inevitable consequences and the sons of God being fallen angels is one? I hope and pray that with time you will come to realize the fruit of such theories is rotten. I think you know exactly what has been shared. In that respect we have taken this discussion to its final point. It has been Interesting Michael but you have provided nothing of substance to persuade anyone here concerning these fallen angels. They may have given the starters orders and the gun may have fired. But your horse is still in the barn eating its fodder. I have offered up both arguments logic and even the commentaries of some of the most respected men in Christendom on Genesis. Whilst some of them may even concur that the sons of God were angels elsewhere in scripture as in Job, overwhelmingly they all reject that angels had anything to do with Genesis.

  15. Stop yelling at me, and you are completely wrong. I do not place my faith in my relatives; all my faith is in what Scripture says, and I read it on my own every day.
    And just how is the “fruit” rotten? I have named 5 or so people in my previous comments who have come to know Jesus Christ as a result of this. How many people has the Sethite view or anything else led to Christ?? So far you have yet to give even one. Would the Holy Spirit use a lie to bring people to Jesus? And if the Sethite view was true, then why has there not been anyone brought to Christ as a result of it??
    The very fact that my interpretation of Genesis 6 has brought people to know Christ, “done, dusts, and busts” everything you say. And, as I have noted, you still are yet to say anything on the word-study on the Greek word “oiketerion.” I use NOTHING BUT Scripture in my teaching, “The Hidden History of Planet Earth and the Return of the Nephilim,” and it is structured in such a way that the parts with the book of Enoch are not even needed. You’re just trying to be difficult; there’s no point in me saying anything if you aren’t even going to look into what I post.
    This is done, dusted, and busted; just give up and give in to Jesus.

  16. Michael not sure where the yelling part comes into this, but clearly you have chosen to ignore the facts. I do believe you are placing your faith more in your parents than scripture. Normally not a bad thing except in this case. People have theories but few even realize where their theories take them. The sons of God as I have shown glorifies satan and demeans God. As for the word study personally I never gave it a second thought. As you have chosen to ignore the vast amount of information words studies opinions of some of the most respected men in Christendom , logic and clear and precise arguments I can only conclude that there must be other reasons why you are pushing this debate. I suspect all will be made clear shortly.

    People are saved by calling upon Jesus to save them. People can be influenced for many reasons and I hope that in the process of time they are not disillusioned by the falseness of this theory. If you build on a weak bridge take care you are not on it when it falls.

    If as you believe that these sons of God were indeed angels, then let me know when you see one standing at the alter with a few women to marry them. Photos would be appreciated. I love a good wedding.

    • Once someone is saved, which is by the Cross and Resurrection Jesus Christ, the bridge lasts forever. We are saved once and always. I’m not going to get into a debate with you about eternal security, though, because like you do with the Sethite view, no matter how much evidence I give regarding either one, people refuse to listen to what the Word of God said.

      If you were truly listening to the Word of God and the Holy Spirit, trusting Christ, you would be on my side because every time I study Genesis 6 or eternal security, I receive a peace that truly does pass all understanding. The Sethite view or tyrant view or whatever just causes confusion. God is not a god of confusion, but of PEACE and a SOUND MIND.

      I addressed all your points in your main article in my first comment, AS WELL AS give points of my own. I will not address points you bring to the table in the comments section until you address my points SINCE I have already addressed your main points. I’m right, you’re wrong, there is nothing you can do about it, and you will one day have to answer to God for propagating the false Sethite view which has lead NO ONE to Christ. I refuse to believe any other view until I see SOMEONE brought to Christ as a result of them.

  17. Oikētērion Habitation:
    “a habitation” (from oiketer, “an inhabitant,” and oikos, “a dwelling”), is used in Jud 1:6, of the heavenly region appointed by God as the dwelling place of angels; in 2Cr 5:2, RV, “habitation,” AV, “house,” figuratively of the spiritual bodies of believers when raised or changed at the return of the Lord. VINE

    No one doubts that these angelic beings fell from their lofty position. But that is a a long way to assuming that they did so just to get married. Even a longer stretch to believe that they possessed the goods to do anything with them. All oikētērion says is that they left the position that God created them to be in. Rebellion here is not the issue, as we know they fell away. But no where does it says because of sex.

    Verse 7 as most of this chapter is about one issue SIN. Now if you are trying to say that these angelic fell because they had some homosexual tendencies that needed to be explored, I highly doubt it.

    New Living Translation (©2007)
    And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within the limits of authority God gave them but left the place where they belonged God has kept them securely chained in prisons of darkness, waiting for the great day of judgment.

    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) JUDE 1: 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever

    Sin and rebellion brings with it a restlessness that cannot be settled. Just as satan in the book of Job when asked by God on how his days went talks about moving back and forth in the earth. He cannot settle and cannot rest. Which make marriage and having kids a bit hard. Sin brings a restlessness within ones being. A troubled mind that cannot rest and is never at peace. So having angels in white coats in labs doing experiements just does not quite look right. The fallen are never rested. This is borne out when we see examples of demons who inhabit folk. A constant restless and anger towards those they inhabit. The need to posess and yet the need to hurt and injure those they control.


    So there is no mystery there.

    Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

    Sums up the chapter well. ” To execute judgement >>>>>> among all of their ungodly deeds. ” PLURAL!!!!

    • NO ONE has EVER said the angels fell so they could have sex; they were ALREADY fallen before Genesis 6 ever took place. Remember the serpent in the garden, Satan? Genesis 6 was an attempt by a SEGMENT of fallen angels to thwart the coming “seed of the woman” who would crush Satan’s head (Genesis 3:15).

      Oiketerion only occurs in 2 places, Jude 6 and 2 Corinthians 5:2, referring to the body as being a dwelling place for the spirit. We DESIRE to be clothed in what the fallen angels abandoned, what they disrobed from. This reminds me of Jesus’s statement in Matthew 22, that in the resurrection (i.e. when we receive that oiketerion), we will be like the angels IN HEAVEN. We will be like what the fallen angels abandoned. And Jude 6-7 make it clear that those fallen angels currently imprisoned are imprisoned because they WENT AFTER STRANGE FLESH, and did so JUST AS Sodom and Gomorrah. JUST AS Sodom and Gomorrah go after strange flesh, so did the fallen angels. Jude couldn’t have made it much clearer, and to say it means anything but that is to do gymnastics with the text. You can’t just take Jude 6, you have to take it in the context and see the continuation of that same sentence in Jude 7.

      But you clearly like cherry-picking verses here and there and forming a more “comfortable” theology.

  18. Eternal security is not the problem, placing your faith in a doggy theory is. The Gen 6 theory has already been debunked. Peace is not the basis of truth here either. The truth is and a love for the truth. If you are the genuine article then your love for the truth means you would reject the sons of God as being angels from the start. The only confusion here is in your own heart. If you are confused then clearly you don’t have the peace you should have. I have seen little of anything that answers any points so far. ZERO!!!! So far you have brought your parents up as proof , now it’s a peace. Many eastern cults all boast of having a peace through meditation and the hope of ascending to nirvana. So peace per say is no indication that the angels can have sex is truth. So what’s next ? the entrails of a lamb!!! Michael you come across as someone on a grill. Your sweating with every excuse you can think off. But you have still to show how a spirit that was created with absolutely no means or ability to reproduce suddenly has the ability to reproduce. Never mind the whole marriage kids aspect to the story.

  19. Second point
    Now you are saying they did not fall simply to have sex but had already fallen from Grace, in which case you have just proven my article. God would not have called them by such a noble title as “sons of God,” would he? The relationship with God changed and so would the names. In which case these particular angels were locked up long before they decided to have sex with anyone.

    Jude 1: 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

    Sets the conversation of the rest of the chapter. What is the main content of this verse? Why were they destroyed? Did they also go after strange flesh here? No the issue was “unbelief” God had delivered them and saved them from pharaohs wrath, but unbelief was still an issue and as such they rebelled.

    Sadly scripture does not give us the full story of who where and how some were locked up and others became demons. There is much that we are not told. So Its important that we tread very carefully when trying to add what scripture does not say.

    Jude 1: 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. (STOP)

    Where does it say here they went after “strange flesh” You have to add in what is not there. Sex is no where mentioned in this verse. But what it does say is that they moved away from the confines that God placed on them.Otherwise they REBELED against Gods law.

    Jud 1: 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire

    Sodom did the same thing. They too moved away from the conditions that God defined. Now unless you believe that these fallen angels were homosexual, which is what Sodom was all about you just cant tie the two verses together simply on the issue of sex. The whole Angels sex theory was not based on angels going “AFTER STRANGE FLESH” Ie homosexuality, but marrying women. That alone is two seperate issues.

    You have to look at the overwhelming theme of the chapter and not try and pull verses out of context to say something which it does not. Jude points to more than two incidents of SIN and what happens when people moved away from the place they should be to a place of sin. Sex is not a sin within the context of marriage. Adultery and homosexuality is.

    Angels cannot have sex let alone reproduce. As for marriage bit it simply never happened. Verse 6 makes it clear concerning the angels, Verse 7 makes it clear concerning Sodom . Verse 8 again opens things up to further sins. Verse 10 speaks about those who corrupt themselves in general. Even Baalam comes into this conversation Verse 11 There is certainly no mention here of Baalam sin being sex.

    Enoch is certainly not quoting from the Book of Enoch. Which was published well after the Bible had been written. The Book of Enoch is simply a satanic counterfeit like the Koran. Anyone who places his faith in that dumb book needs saving.

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