Talks on Islam: Allah makes Muhammad forget?

Posted: November 5, 2011 in Holy Spirit, Islam
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Now what was it that I was supposed to remember.

Bukhari:V6B61N550 “The Prophet said, ‘It is a bad thing some of you say,”I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur’an.” For truly, I have been caused by Allah to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur’an because it escapes faster than a runaway camel.'”

  What can we learn from this.

 Many Moslems try to make a case that Muhammad is the comforter of John chapter 14..   However by looking at the verse above, it would seem to be clear that Allah made Muhammad to forget portions of the Koran. 

 However this is an open admission that Muhammad was not and cannot ever be the comforter.   Here is why.

 John 14: 26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

 How can someone bring “ALL THINGS TO REMEMBERANCE”,  when he openly admits to forgetting the very book which he wrote.  This is not a very good acknowledgement that the one who brings a remembrance of the commandments of God actually forgets them. 

 The comforter is commissioned never to forget and to bring all things to our remembrance.  Bad job if he is prone to forgetfulness? 

 The next big blow is this shows that Allah is not god because he made Muhammad to forget.  There can be no excuse if the one who inspired scripture goes around making his servants forget.    The all-knowing God is not in the business of making people forget his word.  Rather the opposite.

 The fact that Jesus openly acknowledges that the Comforter is the Holy Spirit who is God  Third member of the Godhead should make this even more clear. 

 “HE WILL BRING ALL THINGS TO YOUR REMEMBERANCE”

 As one Moslem in reply to this conversations had this to say:

 Moslem  when the prophet say i forget a verse and you remind me of it …it is not a forever forget but it is casual incidental..

 Moslem i said it is forget causal not forever …allah tell us he will keep quran …and muhamed teach quran to all his companions and it was kept in their hearts ! so dont worry about this

 Moslem i said it was not a forever forget ! it was temporal and causal  So I mentioned this

This was a questioned a Christian posed  Thats not what the verse says. He says For truly, “I have been caused by Allah to forget ” Now does this mean allah is not doing a good job in getting Muhammad to forget. How disobedient was Muhammad in trying to memorize what allah made him forget. Maybe he just forgot that he forgot?

Moslem: i will explain this to you …to say allah caused that to not be like the oen allah mention in this verses (125) He will say: So (it must be). Our revelations came unto thee but thou didst forget them. In like manner thou art forgotten this Day. (126) QURAN….so to not be negligence from the muslim …the prophet in other hadith he say he forgot and that causal and temporal forget …

 In respect this Moslem made quite an effort to show that the amnesia caused by Allah was only temporally.  However the very fact that Allah was the cause automatically discounts him from being a god.   Man forgets many things but God never does.  Now will he allow his servants to forget his words?    NO NEVER.  There is simply no point or rational for God to make his servants forget.

 It also acknowledges that if Muhammad forgot something, who is to say he ever remembered it.  How do we know that the amnesia was only temporary?  Clearly we don’t.   It is nothing more than a blind jump of faith with nothing there to support .  If Allah causes a person to forget,  and that Person remembers, can we not conclude that Allah  is not as powerful as his servant.

 This then becomes an open confession that the human memory is more powerful than Allah.  Now what god deliberately makes his “prophet” forget the very words that he was supposed to bring to others?    Would this present a comical scenario with Muhammad scratching his head trying to remember what he was supposed to remember and Allah unable to help because he caused his forgetfulness.

Does this make the case for constant repetition either of the koran or the prayers of Moslems.  Oh I must keep “reciting the Qur’an because it escapes faster than a runaway camel.”   Or does it actually reveal that Allah is unable to bring to ones remembrance all that he wants people to know?  The need for repitition has to be an open acknowledgement of failure of their god. 

A FAILED PROPHET WHO FOLLOWS A FAILED GOD!!

Mark  13: 11 But when they shall lead [you], and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

The Bible gives us this promise that when delivered before the wicked.  He will help us in what to speak.  He will bring to our memories what to say.  NO such promises can be found in these verses of the hadith.  No such expectation of help can be found.   Especially  if the one Moslems look to becomes the agent in making them forget.

 

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  1. From my face book a friend had this to say :
    Compare Mohammad with Jeremiah and he comes up short- read the account in Jeremiah 36:21-32 for the story but the key verses are “The king cut it (the scroll) with his knife and burned it ….. (23) The Lord came to Jeremiah after the king had burnt the scroll saying take another roll and write in it all the former words that were in the first scroll that Jehoiakim the king of Judah burned.(28) Then Jeremiah took another roll and gave it to Baruch who wrote what Jeremiah dictated, all the words of the book that the king had burned..(37)
    God does not depend on man to get it right or remember but He makes sure that His word goes out and is remembered. Jeremiah is an example of a “real” prophet who doesnt need men’s memory to help him remember.

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