The torture of the grave Islam and the afterlife

Posted: October 2, 2011 in Islam
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From the Christian perspective death is nothing more than a passing through the veil to the other side, and the grave as the laying down of the body and a surrendering of our souls to God.  We have a hope and the assurance that what we have committed unto him will be kept secure and safe.   However that is not the case in Islamist teachings.  As we will show what is offered by Islamist teachers is truly shocking.  Moslems are shown what is called LIFE IN THE GRAVE.  A twilight world full of horror and agony; A place where fear and superstition rules;  a dungeon of possible horrors.  Where the living are reminded that they will be visited by two boogie men and if the answers  they give  are not correct then they will suffer in this twilight nightmare.  Where the dead are not dead but are living confined to the grave

Math 10: 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell

Luke 23: 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise

1 Thess 4: 13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow
not, even as others which have no hope

2 Cor 5: 8 We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

 This following article is truly disturbing and all I can do is post it in the hope that people can and will wake up to the
real hope of the believer.  JESUS alone is the WAY and I hope that many who are bound by such superstitious beliefs
will come to the saving grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.

THE REINFORCING THE BELIEF IN SUPERSTITION.

In this story an 18 year old Arab boy died in one of the hospitals in Oman. The boy died in hospital and was buried under the Islamic law on the same day after obligatory ablution of the body. However after funeral the father doubted the diagnosis of doctors and wanted to identify the true reason of his death. The corpse of the boy had been dug out from the grave within 3 hours after his funeral as his father insisted to know the truth.  Relatives and his friends shocked when they saw the corpse. He was completely different within 3 hours. He turned grey as if he was a very old man, with traces of obvious tortures and the most severe beating, with the broken bones of hands and legs, with the edges broken and pressed into a body.

All of his body and face were full of bruise. The open eyes-showed hopeless fear and pain. The blood obviously indicated that the boy has been subjected to the most severe torture.

Close relatives of the dead boy approached Muslim Scholars who have unequivocally declared that it is the result of TORTURE IN GRAVE; which Allah (s.w.t) and Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) have warned.

The shocked father of the boy has admitted that his son was spoilt child, did not obey his parent, did not do Salat (prayers / namaz) and had a carefree way of life, having involved in different sins.

Every person after death comes across tests in the tomb, except Shaheed who died in the way of Allah. This is first test which the person comes across after death but before the Doomsday.

We find in Hadis of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w): After burial of dead person his soul will return to his body, then two Angels
will come, Munkar and Nakir, and will ask: “Who is your Lord?” he will answer: “my Lord – Allah “. Then they will ask:
“What is your religion?” he will answer: “My religion – Islam”. Then they will ask him: “Who that person who has been sent to
you?” he will answer: “He is the Prophet of Allah “. Then they will ask him: “How do you know?” He will answer: “I read the
Book of Allah and trusted Him.

And then from heavens the voice will come: ” My Slave has told the truth, lay it to bed from Paradise and open the Gate of Paradise ” – then it will be full of pleasure and he begins to feel pleasures of the paradise, and his grave becomes spacious, that eyes can reach.

The Prophet of Allah Muhammad (s.a.w) said about the sinners. After burial of dead person his soul will return to the body, then two Angels will come and ask, “Who is your Lord?” he will answer: “I do not know”. Then they will ask: ” Who that person who has been sent to you?” he again will answer: I “do not know” – and then from the sky the voice will come: “he told a lie, Put him into a box from fire and open before it the Gate of a hell ! “- than it will be captured with heat of the hell, and his grave becomes narrow and the edges will be compressed.

In Hadis it is also said, that Angels will severely beat the sinners during interrogation in the tomb and this torture will be awful. It is informed also, that our Messenger (s.a.w) supplicated to Allah to protect Him from tortures of the grave and asked other people to do so.

The Prophet (s.a.w) said: ” The grave is the first stage of the hereafter. If a person is saved from its torment, then what comes after it is really easy. If one is not saved from it, what follows is really severer.” (Ibn Maja)

The Prophet (s.a.w) said: ” I have never seen a more horrible sight than that of the grave. ” (Ibn Maja, Al Termizi)

Other Moslem web sites adds   

The torture in the grave: It is obligatory to believe that Allah tortures all the accountable blasphemers in their graves Allah orders the harmful insects of the Earth to eat their bodies. Also, He orders the Earth to close in on them. Other types of torture will also be inflicted on them. Their graves will become like ditches of Hell.
On the other hand, the Muslims who are major sinners, and died without repenting are of two groups:
Those tortured in their graves.    Others forgiven by Allah from being tortured therein.

The enjoyment in the grave: It is obligatory to believe that Allah endows his pious Muslim slaves with enjoyment in their graves. Among the enjoyment is for their graves to be lit up like the light of a full moon, and to be widened seventy (70) cubits[1] by seventy (70) cubits. There are also other types of enjoyment.

 “From the teachings of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) it becomes clear that after the demise of a person we apparently take him to be lifeless, but he remains alive, although his life is different is different from our lives. The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is reported to have said that the act of breaking a bone of the dead
body causes him as much pain as is felt by a living person. One day the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) saw Z. Amr b. Hazm (Allah be pleased with him) leaning over a grave. He forbade him to vex the dead body
.

CONTRAST THIS WITH WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ON THIS SUBJECT:

Psalm 23: 4  Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

 Heb 2: 15   And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage

Heb 6: 19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters into that within the veil;

 Jesus came to dispel the fear of death and to give hope.  Yet in Islam this fear is encouraged.

 No where does the Bible teach that the dead are first interrogated by some angels, who may or may not inflict torture on the unsuspecting soul.   Angels are ministering spirits sent to minister to those who are heirs of salvation.   They
are not task masters who would find better employment with pharaoh.

 As one author has commented on Hebrews 6: 19   

As you know, Lord, I keep assuming hope is something I have to find. I look at the circumstances, size up the possibilities, and make the choice about whether to be hopeful or despairing. There are always reasons to despair, and so I am seldom very hopeful.

I think of hope as a tender flower, and despair as the bug that eats it away. But you think of hope as a steadfast anchor. That is because, according to this passage, you swore by yourself to do that which you promised. And you can count on yourself – being God and all. This dramatically alters everything I know about hope. It has nothing to do with the prospects or my assessment of them. It isn’t
something tender that can be easily devoured. Hope is something you create. I just receive it. Amen.

Hope as an anchor just does not give the impression of life living inside some corpse buried six feet down and left to rot.

 REWARDS AND PUNISHMENTS

 This LIFE IN THE GRAVE IS CALLED (BARZAKH)  So we are to believe that the dead are not dead but are really living in their dead corpses.  Thereare rewards and punishments in the grave, many of which are established through mutawatirah hadith (the most authentic kind of hadith). Examples of reward in the grave include:

  • widening of the grave
  • good company in the grave
  • light in the grave
  • having a comfortable, deep sleep
  • seeing one’s potential place in the Hell-fire, but then
    showing one’s true abode in paradise
  • telling of glad tidings

Punishment in the grave can be cruel and harsh. All but humans and jinn can hear the sounds of the punishments in the grave since if Allah  were to expose the punishments of the grave to humans in this life, then we would all just live in fear. Examples of the punishment in the grave include:

A bed of fire

  • being in darkness
  • being shown a position in paradise which would then disappear
    into a picture of the Hell-fire
  • having tightness to break one’s ribs
  • beating hammers in the grave

What causes one to have punishment in one’s grave? Causes of punishment in the grave
include:

  • kufr/shirk
  • poor cleaning of oneself after using the bathroom
  • gossiping, back-biting, spreading rumors
  • calling to innovations
  • usury/interest
  • stealing from orphans
  • exposing a Muslim’s mistakes
  • suicide
  • committing major sins in Al-Haram (i.e. Makkah)
  • learning Quran and being distant from it (including one who
    memorizes the Quran and does not pray the tahajjud (night prayer)!!!)
  • not waking up for prayers (i.e. fajr)
  • ruling against the Shariah
  • eating and breaking one’s fast before time
  • having one’s pants below the ankles due to pride (men only!)
  • being merciless to animals

Not paying one’s debts (if one can)

This is then followed by the angels, who come and remove the soul from the body. the soul of the non-Muslim is violently removed; angels smite the soul in the process.

Again we see the fear tactics being employed.  No grace, no love and absolutely no mercy.  NO means of obtaining any.  Islam is a works based religion that uses fear as a whip to keep the flock in line.  If we are to believe this list then it also contains contradictions.  If a suicide bomber kills himself in jihad is that not suicide.  Rather than an entrance into the Moslem paradise, it is down into the twilight zone of the grave? No Moslem can expose the wickedness of another Moslem.  Would that include criminal acts as well?  It would seem that if ones trousers is a little too long that is also the basis for punishment in the twilight zone.

When the wrong doers reach the pangs of death and the angels stretch their hands out, saying: Deliver up your souls. Surah 6;93

If thou couldst see how the anguish receive those who disbelieve, smiting their faces and their backs and (saying): Taste the punishment of burning!  Surah 8:50

According to the Hadith, what happens to a believer (Muslim) and a non-Muslim is vastly different.

Geisler summarizes these events,  “The soul of the faithful person, which is easily removed from the body, is clothed
in a heavenly and sweet smelling garment by radiant and smiling angels. The soul is taken through the seven heavens, entering the presence of God who then orders the angels to return the soul to its earthly body until the day of judgment. On the other hand, the soul of the unbelieving person is removed from its body with a great deal of struggle. The angel of death clothes the soul with a foul smelling garment. The angel responsible for the wicked soul also tries to take the soul through the various levels of heaven but he gates of heaven are not opened to them (7:40), and the soul is then returned to the body”
 (Answering Islam, Norman Geisler Abdul Saleeb, Baker Books, 1993 Pg. 109)

All these events take place while the body is being washed, demonstrating how quick the above events take place.

So if the person answers correctly — Allah, Islam and Muhammad — the angels will make the “GRAVE” more comfortable. They open a window where the view and orders of paradise can be enjoyed.  For those who do not answer correctly, a window to hell will be opened, their grave will narrow, their ribs are crushed as they feel the heat and hot winds of hell. This will continue while the person awaits judgment. Only those who die in Jihad will go directly to Paradise.

You can imagine the fear Moslem live under; this twilight world of living in the “ GRAVE” as a rotting corpse. As many believe Muhammad was influenced by Catholicism and the belief in purgatory with a few tweaks makes for a strong motivation to do whatever to avoid this nightmare of life in the grave. Better to die in some jihad than to gracefully die on ones bed and suffer in the twilight zone. 

Moslems will often argue that allah has no partner and yet they cannot say allah without mentioning Muhammad in the same breath.  So it seems that even in death Muhammad is elevated onto the same pedestal as allah.    For allah is nothing without Muhammad and Muhammad is nothing without allah.

 The Prophet Muhammad said, “When a human being is laid in his grave and his companions return and he even hears their foot steps, two angels come to him and make him sit and ask him: ‘What did you use to say about this man, Muhammad?’ He will say: ‘I testify that he is Allah’s slave and His Apostle.’ Then it will be said to him, ‘Look at your place in the Hell-Fire. Allah has given you a place in Paradise instead of it.’ ” The Prophet Muhammad added, “The dead person will see both his places. But a non-believer or a hypocrite will say to the angels, ‘I do not know, but I used to say what the people used to say! It will be said to him, ‘Neither did you know nor did you take the guidance (by reciting the Quran).’ Then he will be hit with an iron hammer between his two ears, and he will cry and that cry will be heard by whatever approaches him except human beings and jinns.”  Hadith – Sahih Bukhari 3:810

Muhammad fear of the punishment in the grave

Aisha, Mohammad’s favorite wife, relates Mohammad’s comments about punishment in the grave. She states how Mohammad feared punishment in grave and prayed that he would be kept from it

.Narrated Masruq: ‘Aisha said that a Jewess came to her and mentioned the

punishment in the grave, saying to her, “May Allah protect you from the punishment of the grave.” ‘Aisha then asked Allah’s Apostle about the punishment of the grave. He said, “Yes, (there is) punishment in the grave.” ‘Aisha added, “After that I never saw Allah’s Apostle but seeking refuge with Allah from the punishment in the grave in every prayer he prayed.” Volume 2, Book 23, Number 454:Bukhari

There is, however, an exception for the believer who dies in Jihad. He goes directly to Paradise, foregoing life in the grave, as others who die. He is guaranteed by Allah to go right to Paradise.

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “Allah guarantees him who strives in His Cause and whose motivation for going out is nothing but Jihad in His Cause and belief in His Word, that He will admit him into Paradise (if martyred) or bring him back to his dwelling place, whence he has come out, with what he gains of reward and booty.” Volume 4, Book 53, Number 352: Bukhari

Regarding the rest of the believers (Muslims) there is speculation. The Quran does not go into detail about life after death. According to Al-Ghazzali, a famous Muslim theologian, the condition of the believer can vary between four categories. Some will wander the earth; some God allows to slumber; martyrs are flown up to heaven after a few months in the grave; and the prophets can choose to remain on earth or go to heaven. Ibid, pg. 111

 All of this continues until the Final Hour, when history is concluded.

I wonder what happens is the body is exhumed and reburied.  Does the task of these boogie men start all
over again? 

Finally in what must be the strangest twist of them all !!!

Muhammad as intercessor

Muslims are dependent on their works to save them from the fires of Hell. If their bad deeds outweigh the good, they are destined to burn in Hell fire. Unlike Islam, Christianity has a Messiah who paid for the sins of those who are lost, by dying on the cross. Islam has no such savior in the Quran. However, in the Hadith, Mohammad takes on the role as intercessor for the Muslim. Even Jesus and Abraham cannot equal the intercession of Mohammad. So Muslims, on the day of judgment, put their ultimate hope on Muhammad and his ability to intercede.

Muhammad talked to us saying, ‘On the Day of Resurrection the people will surge with each other like waves, and then they will come to Adam and say, ‘Please intercede for us with your Lord.’ He will say, ‘I am not fit for that but you’d better go to Abraham as he is the Khalil of the Beneficent.’ They will go to Abraham and he will say, ‘I am not fit for that, but you’d better go to Moses as he is the one to whom Allah spoke directly.’ So they will go to Moses and he will say, ‘I am not fit for that, but you’d better go to Jesus as
he is a soul created by Allah and His Word.’ (Be: And it was) they will go to Jesus and he will say, ‘I am not fit for that, but you’d better go to Muhammad.’ ……………

They would come to me and I would say, ‘I am for that.’ Then I will ask for my Lord’s permission, and it will be given, and then He will inspire me to praise Him with such praises as I do not know now. So I will praise Him with those praises and will fall down, prostrate before Him.

Then it will be said, ‘O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; and ask, for your will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.’ I will say, ‘O Lord, my followers! My followers!’ And then it will be said, ‘Go and take out of Hell (Fire) all those who have faith in their hearts, equal to the weight of a barley grain.’ I will go and do so and return to praise Him with the same praises, and fall down (prostrate) before Him. Then it will be said, ‘O Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to, and ask, for you will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.’ I will say, ‘O Lord, my followers! My followers!’ It will be said, ‘Go and take out of it all those who have faith in their hearts equal to the weight of a small ant or a mustard seed.’ I will go and do so and return to praise Him with the same praises, and fall down in prostration before Him.

It will be said, ‘O, Muhammad, raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to, and ask, for you will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.’ I will say, ‘O Lord, my followers!’ Then He will say, ‘Go and take out (all those) in whose hearts there is faith even to the lightest, lightest mustard seed. (Take them) out of  the Fire.’ I will go and do soVolume 9, Book 93, Number 601: Bukhari

So it would seem that in the end Muhammad becomes god after all, for only a god can hear all the prayers of those who pray to him.  Plus one has to be god to even remember and forward those requests to someone else.

As many believe Allah was nothing more than an extension of his own imagination, a pagan idol that was used by Muhammad to achieve his own ends.  Whenever Muhammad needed to excuse his bad behaviour he could come up with a new revelation to give legitimacy to it.  Who was bold enough to contradict allahs prophet?

Muhammad feared the grave because he had NO hope and NO assurance.  He was a lost man propping up
a lost and violent cause.   In the end as some believe he was poisoned by Aisha and died a violent death.  There was a
coup d’etat and Aisha father Abu Bakr took over.

In contrast Jesus becomes our high priest who intercedes on our behalf.  How can Muhammad intercede if he
was also afraid of this torture of the grave?  How can a finite being intercede period!!    

Hebrews 4: 14- Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

So we have this assurance that death is not the end and neither is the grave the last word on the matter. We can
be assured that we will not spend an eternity looking out from some grave.

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Comments
  1. Um Asiya says:

    It is clear that the writer of this article is non-muslim because this comment is severely incorrect. “Moslems will often argue that allah has no partner and yet they cannot say allah without mentioning Muhammad in the same breath. So it seems that even in death Muhammad is elevated onto the same pedestal as allah. For allah is nothing without Muhammad and Muhammad is nothing without Allah.” I must correct it- Allah is everything with or without Muhammad SAWS. Allah created him just like he created all of the prophets and messengers that came before him- Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, ending with Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon all of them). To say that Muslims cannot leave Allah SWT and Muhammad SAWS without having them spoken in the same breath is absurd and incorrect. At first, Allah SWT is nothing like him nor His creation- He is all powerful, all merciful and perfect. Muhammad SAWS and the rest of Allah’s creation is in need of Allah- Allah does not need anyone of us- Allah is the first and the last, HE was here before us and will be here after us (i.e. after we die). Muhammad SAWS is Allah’s last prophet and Messenger sent to all of mankind and jinns- unlike those that came before him. Those that came before were sent only to a specific party of people/nation which were the children of Israel (today they call themselves Jews/Jewish). Jesus A.S. he came with the messenge from Allah SWT only to the children of Israel, not to everyone and anyone that wishes to follow him. Jesus even clearly states it in the Bible in which he told his apostles to not take his message except to the lost tribe of the children of Israel. That his message and warnings are only for them, not the entire nations of the world at his time nor prior to the coming of Muhammad SAWS. Each group of people had their Prophet and Messenger that they must follow in order to achieve salvation and to please our creator Allah SWT. Adam had his followers, Noah, Moses, etc. The people of their time must follow only them and in return it will be as if they followed those prior to them because they all came with the same message- Worship only the ONE TRUE GOD- ALLAH, do good deeds and forbid evil. Muhammad SAWS was given the final revelation and in that time Allah SWT completed His favor onto all of mankind and jinns. Allah SWT gave His message a name when He sent His final Messenger and that name is Al Islam. The name is new but the religion is not new. It is the same religion that existed from the beginning of time, with Adam until the end of time, ending with the laws sent with Muhammad SAWS. Since the coming of Prophet Muhammad SAWS all of mankind and jinns (those in the parallel world that we cannot see) until the end of time are to follow his message and laws that Allah SWT sent him with (Quran and Sunnah). Otherwise those who do not will not enter Jannah (paradise, Amin) and will receive Jahanam (eternal hell fire, authu bi Allah). This is because Allah SWT sent each nation their prophet and Messenger and Allah SWT is the only one that created us and He is the only one that decides what He wills to be. We glorify Allah SWT- it is our obligation- we send supplications to Allah SWT that He bless our Prophet Muhammad SAWS, all of mankind, all Prophet’s and whomever we please to include in this list. We do not worship Muhammad SAW nor Jesus A.S. nor anyone or anything else- ever. We do not always have to have Allah SWT in the same breath as Prophet Muhammad SAWS, although sometimes we do. Especially when we testify that “there is no god except Allah SWT and that Muhammad SAWS is His last Prophet and Messenger”. As Muslims, we are to believe in Allah SWT’s books- the original ones, not the ones that mankind changed with time including the Bible.

  2. To say that Allah had no partner would be incorrect, because Muhammad made sure that he was in every way Allah partner. Consider these verses.

    Ishaq:233 “Allah’s Apostle: the Lord of the Muslims, Leader of the Allah Fearing, Messenger of the Lord of the Worlds, the Peerless and Unequalled.”
    Qur’an 33:56 “Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. So believers, send your blessings on him, and salute him with all respect – a worthy salutation. Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger and speak evil things of them – Allah has cursed them and prepared a humiliating torment.”
    Qur’an 33:57 “Those who speak negatively of Allah and His Apostle shall be cursed.”
    Qur’an 108:3 “For he who insults you (Muhammad) will be cut off.”
    Bukhari:V9B87N127 “The Prophet said, ‘I have been given the keys of eloquent speech and given victory with terror.'”
    Qur’an 4:114 “He who disobeys the Apostle after guidance has been revealed will burn in Hell.”
    These are but a Few of many that would make it obvioue Muhammads place in mans affairs. Hardly the humble apostle.

    Then we could draw on the many verses that speak of How Muhammad the terrorist seeks to bring terror to the unbelievers.

    Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
    Qur’an:8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.”
    Muhammad made himself very much central in the affairs of every Moslem. Tell me is there anything that is not centred around him?

    As for the living dead. I notice that no attempt was made to reject what happens in the grave. Thankfully that does not have top be the case. Jesus does indeed offer hope beyond the grave , rather than life within the grave.

  3. Nynaeve says:

    Narrated Abu Said bin Al-Mu’alla:
    While I was praying in the Mosque, Allah’s Apostle called me but I did not respond to him. Later I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! I was praying.” He said, “Didn’t Allah say—‘Give your response to Allah (by obeying Him) and to His Apostle when he calls you?’” (8.24) … (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 1)

    And:

    ‘Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, said to the Prophet, “Part of your excellence with Allah is that He has made obedience to you obedience to Him. Allah says, ‘Whoever obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah’ (4:80) and ‘If you love Allah, then follow me and Allah will love you.'” (3:31) it is related that when this ayat was sent down, people said, “Muhammad wants us to take him as a mercy in the way Christians did with Isa, so Allah revealed, ‘Say: Obey Allah, and the Messenger.'” (3:32) (Qadi Iyad, p. 9)

    Surah 33:36 ‘It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error.’

    Narrated Abu Dhar:
    The Prophet asked me at sunset, “Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?” I replied, “Allah AND His Apostle know better.”…

    • Muhammad says:

      what UC MINISTRIES or Nynaeve says is completely wrong…u people are speaking with no understanding at all… refer the below verse from quran

      Quran ( 3:144)”Muhammad is not but a messenger. [Other] messengers have passed on before him. So if he was to die or be killed, would you turn back on your heels [to unbelief]? And he who turns back on his heels will never harm Allah at all; but Allah will reward the grateful.”

      If you ask why we associate the prophet muhammad (may peace and blessing be upon him (p.b.u.h)) name when we say there is no god but Allah and Muhammad(p.h.u.b) is his messenger….this is to clarify the prophet muhammad (p.b.u.h) is the last messenger because when anti christ (as you people call him) comes, the first thing he would claim is that he is the last messenger and there is no prophet after him…and then later on he would claim to be a god….

      Also we respect prophet muhammad (p.b.u.h) word because its not his word really…these are commandments are from Allah himself…this is why when prophet muhammad (p.b.u.h) called that person while in prayer and the messenger told to respond …it was to obey the command from ALLAH by obeying this messenger. no one can see the god before his or her death…so you respect his word through this book and through his messenger…

      Also with reference to the next saying of prophet muhammad (p.b.u.h) as quoted by Nynaeve that prophet muhammad(p.b.u.h) wanted to but himself central like Jesus is completely misinterpreted and completely wrong….prophet muhammad (p.b.u.h) never wanted to make him like Jesus…he explicitly mentioned this in few of his sayings….Also understand the value of the message which our prophet muhammad (p.b.u.h) gave us….this in itself is sufficient for us to be thankfull to him…by this message we are saved from the punishment of the grave and punishment of the hellfire…this is why is we convey blessings upon him as a tribute every time his name is mentioned…Islam teaches us to be grateful than in any other religion…Allah has mentioned that a man who is not greatful to his people for the favours they has done upon him then he cannot be thankful to ALLAH.

      And to make the point clear prophet muhammad (p.b.u.h) never claimed to be god and he never desired the wealth of this world…his lived a very modest life…this in itself is a proof that he was not up to something in this world…

      if you have question you can always contact me at my email id thameemsh@gmail.com

  4. Good posting Nynaeve because it just confirms that Muhammad made himself very much central to everything that took place. In fact it would seem that he elevated himself to assumed a place that Jesus alone should have.

  5. Although the video was produced by an athiest, He put what this moslem says just right. Well worth the watch.Its just so funny. However I must also make clear that the posting of this video is not a recomendation of everything this man teaches.

  6. Nynaeve says:

    The hadiths and koran verses I posted make it clear that Muhammad and Allah are equal in status. The shahadah is merely to reinforce that Muhammad and Allah are partners. Muhammad called to the man, not Allah, so for you to say he needed to obey Allah’s command just shows that Muhammad’s commands are equal to Allah’s commands. When Muhammad calls you, it as if Allah is calling you. Shirk Shirk Shirk, Muhammad and muslims are guilty of it

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