WHY WAS PAUL AND MOSES ALIKE ?

Posted: July 16, 2011 in Church, Islam, Jesus Christ
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Moslems will often accuse the apostle Paul of changing what Jesus taught, however God found in Paul another Moses.  Moses was trained in the highest levels Egyptian traditions.  Paul was also trained to the highest level of Jewish tradition.  God got both their attention in a miraculous way.  God spoke to both of them.  Both were called and trained to help establish Gods people

Through Moses God brought out a bunch slaves.  God set them free from their taskmasters who treated them cruelly.  Moses led them into the wilderness where he established and taught them to become a people who could govern themselves.  They were to become a physical nation, trained up to establish a physical kingdom.

God took another bunch of slaves delivered them from their superstition and paganism, and setting them free from their wickedness. They too were under a heavy taskmaster.  Then through the apostle Paul taught them how to be a people.  Helping them to see who they were in Christ and to establish what they were in Christ.   Through the apostle Paul God defined  some of the most basic principles which defined our worship, preparing  the way for those would become a spiritual people who would be trained up to establish a  spiritual kingdom

The argument that Paul changed the law and subverted the teachings of Jesus simply collapses when one understand the background as to what was happening.  By the time Jesus was born the temple and all that went with it was well past its sell by date.  God was moving beyond that to something better.  The Jewish people were themselves moving beyond the temple as Jewish people were ever-moving further across the known world.  Synagogues were being established for local Jews in many places including Israel.  Jesus became the final paschal lamb to be killed.  And once that was done the whole structure upon which sacrificial sacrifices were offered was done and finished.   One of the main reasons that Christians do not adhere too much of what the Torah demanded is because most of these things were established around the temple, the Levite priests and the sacrifices.  Once they were gone there was no longer a need to base ones faith around this temple complex.  God was moving away from a structure and into the very lives of those who believe.

Now Jesus asked which of the commandments was the most important.  Many Jewish scholars would spend hours debating which law was the most important.  Jesus cuts through the lot

Deut 6: 5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might

 Luke 10: 27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

 Jesus is simply quoting what the Old Testament itself says.

 Paul reiterates this in 1 Cor 13  

1 Cor 13: 1- Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 

1 Cor 13: 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed [the poor], and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing

 Remember through Paul, God was establishing the basic practical principles of the kingdom and how to put those principles into effect.

 Many believe that Paul was very anti circumcision and he developed the idea of doing away with it.  Yet few realise that it was God himself through Moses who established that circumcision had to of the heart long before it was ever of the flesh.

 Deut 30: 6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

For what good is circumcision externally if the heart itself has not been changed.  Circumcision therefore becomes a meaningless
ritual without a change life.

A man can have a scar and still be as wicked as a man without one.

 THE FIRST JERUSALEM COUNCIL

 The accusations that many Moslems throw at the apostle Paul that he changed the direction upon which the Christian faith moved is fruitless.  Considering also that even Moslems don’t adhere to what the law demanded either.  They have no background in a Jewish temple, Levitical priesthood or sacrificial offering.  So they themselves would be seen as apostates as far as the Torah are concerned.  More like calling the kettle black.

We are told that Paul; in case he was preaching another gospel went up to the Jerusalem church and submitted himself to the apostles.

 Gal 2: 2  And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain. But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

Acts 15 was the first Jerusalem council where many of this issue were thrashed out.  It should be remembered that this was a predominantly Jewish council

Acts 15: 1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, [and said], Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

 Acts 15: 5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses.

 The temple and all that went with it was still an active complex at this time.  The fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple were still many years ahead.  So the whole issue was very much a hot topic.  Was it salvation by faith alone or salvation plus works rituals etc.

 Acts 15: 6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

 Acts 15: 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

 Acts 15: 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:

 Now it was made clear that NO such message was delivered either by the apostles or Paul that Gentiles believers were to keep the commandments.  This by application meant all the rules and regulations which were imposed
upon the Jews. 

 WAS THIS DECISION RIGHT…….  YES! 

 Within a few decades the temple and all that went with it would be gone.  They knew that salvation had to be in Christ alone through faith alone. 

 Acts 15: 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

  It was made very clear from the chapter that what Paul and other preached was indeed the same gospel.

 The practicalities of keeping the temple rituals were all gone  destroyed by Roman legions.  The Jews were for the most part scattered.   So any continuation of these rituals was now impossible.

 2 cor 6: 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?   for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

 The tabernacle was but a shadow of what was to come.  God for a time dwelt within its tents situated between the cherubim which rested on top of the Ark of the Covenant.  There God would meet with the high priest . But God desired a better coveant through which to communicate with his people.

 Jer 31: 33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

 Ex 29: 45 And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God

 Lev 26: 12 And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.

 Jer 32: 38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:

                                         

Now as we can see Paul was not in conflict with either what Moses taught or the prophets.    But was Paul in conflict with Jesus ?

John 14: 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Jesus made this promise that he and the father would come and dwell within the believer.  So we can see this whole train
of revelation being revealed from as far back as Moses himself.

 DOES PAUL TEACH THAT WE SHOULD OBEY GOD?

Mar 3: 35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother (Jesus)

 Rom  12: 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what
[is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God  (Paul)

 1 Peter 4: 2 That he no longer should live the rest of [his] time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.  (Peter)

Again we see that what Paul teaches was what Jesus and the rest of the disciples taught.

 Whilst Moses and Paul lives ended differently it could be said that they never saw the full fulfilment of what
they started.  But on both accounts they were instrumental in establishing two great nations.   Establishing the simple practicalities of worship order decency morality and doctrine  In many ways both were instrumental in establishing the church.  Both received their revelation direct from God.  Both it appears receive that training in the backside of the desert. 

John 1: 17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Rom 5: 15 But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

1 Peter 5: 10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle [you].

So we have an agreement that what Jesus taught the apostles taught.  There was no conflict between them.

WHO DECIDED TO TAKE THE GOSPEL TO THE GENTILES

 Many Moslems will try to add that the gospel was only to the Jews and that Islam is for the world.  Such a suggestion is just plain foolish.  They will also try and argue that it was Paul that took the gospel to the gentiles.  As you will see that was also not the case.

Let us  see what scripture says on this matter.

Even in the OT with Moses there was a hint that even gentiles would be allowed into the covenant provided they were prepared to keep the law that was established under Moses.

 Ex 12: 38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, [even] very much cattle.

This meant there were also Gentiles (Egyptians )  that fled with the Jews.

 Ex 12: 48 And when a stranger (gentile) shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

Nevertheless prophecy did speak of a time when the gentiles would play a greater part in the affairs of God.

Is 60: 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising

(NO arguement there… it says gentiles shall come to the light)

  Is 62: 3 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

(Gentiles would see the righteousness of God)

 John 10: 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.

(John confirms this revelation that this is what Jesus  declared)

 Acts 11: 18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

(Holy Spirit confirmed by baptising gentile believers)

Acts 13: 46  Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Hosea 1: 10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people, [there] it shall be said unto them, [Ye are] the sons of the living God.

 So from both the old and the new there was still the revelation that the gentiles would indeed come into the covenant of grace.  There is no conflict whatsoever in the Gentiles being brought into the covenant.  From the start it was always Gods intention to save both Jews and Gentiles; to bring them into one fold under one shepherd.

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  1. Under Moses God established the rule of LAW. GOD’s LAW. God is a moral righteous Holy GOD!!

    Sin is a crime against the nature of God. God must Judge sin or he is not God. Mans sinfullness is not an issue which he can ignore , forget , shrug off , forgive or excuse himself.

    Who would doubt that if you stood in a court room to be judged for the most hideous crimes against humanity. Just saying “Sorry” Just does not cut it. But in the guilty verdict that would take your life, someone else would run up to the judge and declare that he would take the guilty verdict upon himself. But you had to accept it. Who would be foolish enough to reject such an offer. Sadly many have!! There are many today that would mock the cross as foolishness. The bungling attempts by a man to save his people.

    But as one reads the Old Testament and come to undertsand that everything from Genesis onwards is laying the foundation “brick upon brick” one commandment at a time. The whole sacrificial system, the tabernacle , the alter, offerings, the sacrifices, the priests. Every step laying down the precidence towards the one final sacrifice to end all sacrifices. The rule of LAW, Gods law. That would save those who wish to be saved.

    The apsotle Paul like Moses lays down the foundemental teachings regarding this. Salvation is through Christ alone. He lays down the legal basis for such an offering

    Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

    1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

    These verses are more than just nice verses to quote. There are based upon the legal frame work that was outlined by God through Moses.

  2. THE APOSTLE PAUL TAUGHT WHAT JESUS TAUGHT!!!

    Jesus taught and argued with Jews (Matt. 23).
    Paul taught and argued with Jews (Acts 17:11-12)

    Jesus taught to obey Governing authorities (Matthew 22:21)
    Paul taught to obey governing authorities (Romans 13:1)

    Salvation is the Jews (John 4:22)
    The Jews are God’s people (Romans 11:1)

    Jesus taught you must be born again (John 3:3)
    Paul taught you must be a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17).

    Jesus said to let your good works (Matthew 5:16)
    Paul says that rich in good works (1 Tim 6:17-19)

    Jesus taught that he would lay down His life (John 10:17)
    Paul taught we are saved by the life of Jesus (Roman 5:10)

    Jesus taught that all have sinned (John 3:19)
    Paul taught that all have sinned (Romans 3:23)

    Jesus taught against free will (John 15:15).
    Paul taught against free will (Romans 9).

    Jesus taught against false prophets (Matthew 7:15)
    Paul taught against false prophets (2 Cor 11:13)

    Jesus taught that He is God (John 14:9, John 10:31, John 8:58
    Paul taught that Jesus is God, (Romans 9:5)

    Jesus taught to love your enemies, (Luke 6:27-28)
    Paul taught to love all people including enemies, (2 Cor 10:4)

    Jesus taught prayer in secret places and two or three (?)
    Paul taught prayer always in especial private places , (Acts 15)

    Jesus taught to pray always (Luke 21:36)
    Paul taught to pray always (2 Thess 1:11)

    Jesus taught to put out the immoral sinner from the church.(Matthew 15)
    Paul taught to put out the immoral sinner from the church (2Cor 5:5).

    Jesus claimed to be from heaven, (John 6:51)
    Paul claimed that Jesus was from heaven (1Cor 15:47)

    Jesus the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; Mark 14:24; Luke 22:20)
    Paul taught the New Covenant (1Cor 11:25, 2 Cor 3:6)

    Jesus taught that the sheep (followers) will not perish (John 10:27-28)
    Paul taught that there is no condemnation to those who are in Jesus Christ, (Rom. 8:1-2)

    Jesus taught salvation by believing in Jesus (John 6:29)
    Paul taught salvation by believing in Jesus (1Cor 1:21)

    Jesus said He sets us free (John 8:36)
    Paul said that Jesus sets us free (Romans 6:18)

    Jesus taught the Torah taught about Him (John 5:38-39, John 17:12, Luke 24:44)
    Paul taught the Torah taught of Jesus (2 Timothy 3:16, Romans 3:31, Romans 11:26).

    Jesus gives life (John 10:10)
    Paul taught that Jesus gives life (1Cor 15:45)

    Jesus taught he was Good News was His death, burial (John 2:19-21, Luke 24:44 March 13:10)
    Paul taught that death, burial and resurrection is the GOOD NEWS (1Cor 15:1-4)

    Jesus said the Good News of Jesus was sent to the WHOLE WORLD (March 13:10)
    Paul said the Good News was to go to the WHOLE WORLD (Romans 10:18).

    Read the New Testament and learn what is true…

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