Sons of God and the daughters of men. Blessing or a Curse

Posted: May 3, 2011 in Book of Enoch, Uncategorized

So far the book of Enoch and Genesis 6 concerning angels has been debunked.    Personally from what I have read the book of Enoch would be welcomed on some seedy pornographic stall.  My opinion is if you own a copy  you should burn it.    

But let us explore the rest of scripture.

 Hebrews 11: 7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

 The word for righteousness means exactly what it says “Righteousness”   It has nothing to do with appearance.  Clearly Not sinless but righteousness  was accorded to his record.  Noah had the right moral character.  It had nothing to do with the outward appearance of the man.  He became an heir of RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH.   Certainly not because he wore the right clothes or even had the right features.  DNA has absolutely nothing to do with faith, morality of righteousness.

  Dante Fortson Part 2    Fortson goes on to say

“By the way, demons and angels are not the same thing. The Bible never says they are, that’s assumption. Every single appearance of an angel in the Bible they had bodies like people. Nowhere does it say that fallen angels have to inhabit humans.”

This is assumption based upon a book which has already been debunked.  The basic truth is we don’t know 100% for sure how these fallen angels and demons go together.  We do know that all angels are spirits which means the majority of the time they are unseen.  They do not have physical forms as humans do.  We are told that satan can and did appear as a snake, as well as he can appear as an angel of light.   Fortson observation for the most part comes from various descriptions which the Bible offers up of good angels.

So they can take human form and some may have the ability to eat.  But at no time does it say or even suggest that angels had penis, let alone have the ability to have sex and actually conceive a child.  At no time does God ever say to any angel to be fruitful and multiply.  If there is no marrying in heaven then that is because there is no need too.

Also, turn to Deuteronomy 17… Moses mentions new “shedim” that came newly up whom their father’s feared not. In order to truly understand what Moses is talking about you need to understand the difference between the 2 words translated as gods/devils and idols. They all have a specific meaning, but Moses chose to use “shedim”. These were evil spirits that inhabited the forest… Where did they come from? Moses clearly says “they sacrificed unto devils, to new gods that came newly up whom your fathers feared not.” He also uses use the word Elohim, which is only used in 3 ways in the Bible. God/gods/angels.

As far as your wrongful interpretation of Matthew 24:36-39 the Noah story makes no mention of homosexuality at all. You are inserting that yourself. Jesus is referencing the Noah story. It’s a shame that Christians won’t re-read it just so they can hold onto their outdated and unBiblical interpretation of it.

We don’t need any extrabiblical text to make the case for Genesis 6 involving angels. I can show you the ONLY 5 places that the phrase (b’nai ha elohim) occurs in the Bible and all of them refer to angels and never to people.

2x – Genesis 6:1-4
1x – Job 1 (Satan is among them)
1x – Job 2(Satan is among them)
1x – Job 38 (They shout for joy when earth is created)

Now he is quite wrong here as we will see, for there is another place where this phrase is used.  But we will come to that in a minute.

People weren’t created until day 6 so it clearly does not refer to people. If you bother to pick up an interlinear Hebrew/English Bible, “sons of God” is translated as “divine beings” which is what they call angels. In fact almost every version of the Bible except modern English translates it as angels/divine beings/gods… never men.

Job 1: 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

This all we are told.  There is no evidence to suggest they were either in heaven or the earth.

Job 1: 7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest  thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

If anything it seems to suggest that satan was actually on the earth, walking up and down as a restless spirit.

Job 28: 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

If the Morning stars are angels then why use another name to apply to the same people.  If the sons of God were these fallen angels why would they be praising God?    The language does not mean they both praise God at the same time.  God was talking to Job when he said where you when all these things happen.  It is evidence that the sons of Adam could do indeed be praising the Lord.  Basically both these verses are open to interpretation.  If Genesis 6 is debunked then the rest of these verses has to be men rather than angels.

Now when God has a controversy against something he will make it known throughout the Bible if need be.  But here we see several hundred years after Genesis we have him complimenting these sons of God for praising God.  Now again why would he mentioning these sons of God in such a praise worthy manner?  If these sons were actual fallen angels then would God not make it clear their crimes and how despicable and wicked they were?

We can also get into the Nephilim (fallen ones – translated as giants) which have ALWAYS been taught to be angel/human hybrids, until the Church got their hands on it. When the 72 JEWISH scholars translated the Septuagint they CHOSE to translated as “gigantes.” If you do even an elementary study on the gigantes you find out that they were supernatural giants, not just big people. The Vulgate translates it the same way. The kicker is where they are bound… TARTARUS… 2 Peter 2:4 is the only placed that word Tartarus is used in the Bible. It’s translated as hell, but again, if you do your research you find out that it’s not hell, but it’s the outter darkness of hell. The place of torment, the dark abode of woe. It was considered to be as far below hell as earth is below heaven.

Basically we are all fallen ones.

If you recall, the demons asked Jesus if He came to torment them before their time. Tartarus is the only place in the Bible that fits that description. There is also a HUGE problem if you bother to read Isaiah 26: THE GIANTS WILL NOT BE RESURRECTED. Here is the verse from several versions:

“[They are] dead, they shall not live; [they are] deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.” – Isaiah 26:14 KJV

“They are now dead, they live no more; those departed spirits do not rise. You punished them and brought them to ruin; you wiped out all memory of them.” – Isaiah 26:14 NIV

The word “GIANT” is not even mentioned in Isaiah 26.  We all know that the NIV has some major translation problems.  Personally stick with the KJ.  If you care to look at scripture you will find that all will rise to be judged at the last day.  When it says they will not rise he is meaning they will not be coming back to this earth.  All this verse in Isaiah 26 says is that they are dead and will not be coming back to live on the earth.

Rev 21: 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Rev 20: 3 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

 All who have died will be judged.

“Dead — they live not, Rephaim, they rise not, Therefore Thou hast inspected and dost destroy them, Yea, thou destroyest all their memory.” – Isaiah 26:14 Young’s Literal Translation

“morientes non vivant gigantes non resurgant propterea visitasti et contrivisti eos et perdidisti omnem memoriam eorum” – Isaiah 26:14 Latin Vulgate

The translation says :they do not live to die and not the giants rise again: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and wiped out all memory of them to”

Vulgate is the only version which appears to use the word giant.  Also there is no basis for such a translation to be translated as giants.   The Hebrews does not even suggest “GIANTS”. 

Notice that Young’s translates it as Rephaim… They were known as “the walking dead” and they were giants. Goliath was born to a giant in Rapha, making him a Rephaim. The Vulgate uses the word “gigantes” which is how giants was translated in Genesis 6. So why exactly will these giants not rise? It was likely the union of humans and angels that led to the birth of unnatural offspring that continued to roam the earth after their body was killed. They were neither human nor angel and thus became demons.

Is 26: 14 [they are] dead 4191 , they shall not live 2421 ; [they are] deceased 7496, they shall not rise 6965 : therefore hast thou visited 6485 and destroyed 8045 them, and made all their memory 2143 to perish 6 . ( Strongs)

They are dead ( 4191)  However this same word 4291 is also used to describe  Adam, Methuselah,  and the sinful in general.  Now I can presume that none of these people were giants.  Will the sinful not be risen in the last judgement? YES!!!  Gen 2: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely4191 die4191

Gen 5: 27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died4191 .

Ezek 33: 9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die4191 in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

Psa 82:7, Pro 19:16, Eze 3:19, Eze 5:12, Eze 33:11 there are plenty of other verses which use these words.

The word DECEASED  (7496) which the vulgate translates giants

Isa 26: 19 Thy dead [men] shall live , [together with] my dead body shall they arise . Awake and sing , ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew [is as] the dew of herbs, and the EARTH SHALL CAST OUT THE DEAD7496.

The same word for deceased is translated dead in Is 26: 19   where the earth shall cast out the dead.  So it would seem that they will rise after all.  But not to this life.!!

Prov 21: 16 The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding SHALL REMAIN IN THE CONGREGATION OF THE DEAD7496

Same word and in whose congregation will they remain in.  It would suggest that this verse is not applicable to one set of individuals but to the sinner as a whole.

 SONS OF GOD IN THE NT

Romans 8: 9 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the SONS OF GOD.

Phil 2: 15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the SONS OF GOD, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1 John 3: 1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the SONS OF GOD: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3: 2 Beloved, now are we the SONS OF GOD, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

There are in fact six verses in the NT which uses this title to apply to Christian believers.

Now we are to believe that these sons of God were the most despicable wicked and disgusting beings ever created by God.  Their crimes being so wicked that the title of SONS OF GOD would be forever and forever into eternity despised.  Yet we find that God actually described Christians as being SONS OF GOD.  Why would God give such a wicked and malicious title to his Children?  This would be the same as calling the Christian after satan or Beelzebub.    This would be the same as a child who was terrible molested and then calling him by the surname of the man who molested him.   Just to make injustice complete the law punish the child for being molested. 

THIS IS WHY THE QUESTION WAS ORIGINALY OFFERED UP; IS GOD A GOD OF JUSTICE OR INJUSTICE?   if we believe that these sons of god were the wicked angels who molested  and raped women and animals , why would God THEN judge their victims  humans as being the perpetrators.    They would in fact be the innocent victimes of such terrible carnage.  As such for God to judge these victims it would make him a God of injustice.  That is not the record we are presented in scripture.  At no time are we grasped by a picture that this title sons of God is something to be despised or ashamed off.  Nor do we find the use of this title presented in the NT in an ugly revolting manner.  Which it would have to be if it was applied to some filthy grotesque angels who were in rebellion against God.  In fact the use of the title if anything is applied to those who are obedient and faithful to GOD.

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Comments
  1. David Strader says:

    It’s not the word “righteous” that presents the problem, it is the phrase afterwards “perfect in his generations”. This translates to genetic characteristics but you have to be careful because the white supremacists use this verse to justify their hatred for people of color.

  2. white supremacists dont know their Bible. Perfection is not who has the perfect DNA, the looks, or even what skin colour he has. Noah was perfect because he had a moral quality to his life. His walk with God is what God saw. Once we get into DNA genes then it becomes what the white supremacists teach. Then it becomes what people look like. The poor handycap are left out. Wrong DNA Not only that but God makes it clear God does not look on the outward man. What Noah Looked like physically means nothing to God. Only man looks on the ouward man. So Noahs genetics has nothing to do with this whole issue.

  3. David Strader says:

    But Noah wasn’t sinless so he couldn’t be perfect in morality.

  4. If he had the right DNA then righteousness and grace is not needed. Salvation then comes down to genetics. Those who do not have the right DNA loose out. Which today is 100% of the population and that would include Noah. God is made into a liar because Genetics and not faith is the basis of salvation. But that scenario contradicts scripture. Adam and Eve were changed when they sinned, they died spiritually. That death affected everyone including Noah. Now we don’t know the full ramifications of everything which took place, but it was a disaster for all mankind. Now God from time to time declares that people are perfect, read my other articles on this subject there are about three of them. But to say that Genetics was the basis of salvation, changes salvation down to the roll of the dice. I have the right genes and someone else does not. You get saved they don’t and faith has little to do with anything. If I have the right genetics then I don’t have to do anything to be saved and the other person can’t do anything to be saved. That’s not the gospel

    The testimony of GOD:

    Heb 11: 4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that HE WAS RIGHTEOUS, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh

    Heb 11: 6-7 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and BECAME HEIR OF THE RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH IS BY FAITH.

    Heb 11: 39-40 And these ALL, HAVING OBTAINED A GOOD REPORT THROUGH FAITH, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

    Heb 11: 6 But WITHOUT FAITH [IT IS] IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE [HIM]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] HE IS A REWARDER OF THEM THAT DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM

    The issue may be one of comparison “He was perfect in HIS GENERATION” Compared to the rest of humanity. However his morality was not the basis of his salvation. NO amount of self morality could have saved him. There was a greater principle involved here which has always been there. Jews and Moslems are trying to be outwardly moral but this cannot save them. No amount of effort on our part can win God’s approval. We all stand condemned before a holy and righteous God.

    There two words which explain what took place “GRACE AND FAITH”

    Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

    GRACE is still Gods mercy extended, it is undeserving; It cannot be worked for,; but it is freely given. God saw MORE in Noah THAN morality that was above the rest of mankind. Noah was moved by the word of God and obeyed that word. There is not one of us that is perfect. We have all be marred by Adams transgression and betrayed by our sinful nature. God does not look on the outward but on the heart. NOAH’S MORALITY DID NOT SAVE HIM, HIS FAITH DID.

    God was establishing a principle right from the beginning. FAITH PLEASES GOD. All these Men had a testimony before God because they believed God and took him at his word. Noah had little to go on except the word of God and he was “Moved by fear” If it’s down to genetics “fear” has nothing to do with the right DNA. Noah believed and that has always been the basis of salvation. As you read through the record from Genesis to revelation Men who believed in the God and the testimony God gives were men who were always blessed by God. Because of this Grace is extended to man.

    Hebrew 11 acknowledges them all as having a good report BY FAITH. You go down to you bank account and you find that you are in arrears. That’s our lives spiritually we are all unrighteous, Undeserving sinful creatures that deserves Gods judgement. God can accredit righteousness to a person and place that spiritual bank account as being full and in credit. Look at the life of Abraham. He is lifted up as the father of righteousness and yet Abraham did some daft things

    GOD’S PRINCIPLE OF GRACE
    WE GO TO OUR SPIRITUAL BANK ACCOUNT WE FIND IT EMPTY. BUT GOD IN HIS GRACE IMPARTS OR RECKONS “RIGHTEOUSNESS” TO THAT ACCOUNT. SO THAT WHEN WE READ IT, IT SAYS FULL AND IN CREDIT. THAT IS GODS PEROGATIVE .

  5. True morality is recognising our sinfulness and the reality that we are unrighteous beings. Noah walked with God and that walk is a walk of faith. It is having the testimony that “I BELIEVE” Gods testimony about me and Gods testimony about himself.

  6. David Strader says:

    His salvation was due to his faith, not his DNA. The more I look into this, the more I see the plan of God to keep His promise of a Kinsman Redeemer by going to whatever lengths possible. This includes the killing of the Canaanites as well as other tribes, including their women, children and livestock which do not go to war and presume a threat to anyone. If they’re all contaminated though, this would make sense. Unnecessary killing on the other hand, does not make sense. That part has always troubled me and I’ve been told to just accept it without questioning it. Many anti-Zionism Christians believe that it’s just the Jews’ evil nature to kill and call the killings of the Palestinians “ritual murders” and say they’re still doing it today. I reject this idea that it is their inherent nature although some may interpret the OT that way. These friends have disconnected from me on FB over this. One was a prominent Lutheran minister that ran for a senate seat a few years back. At best I’m confused about a lot of this and hope to see more evidence to the truth as we get closer to the endtime… that is if we live long enough. If we get taken today, it won’t matter.

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