Talks on Islam: Can we bow to allah?

Posted: February 22, 2011 in End times, false teachers, Islam, Persecuted
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Egypt has been freed from Mubarak but is it free from radical Islam.  The greatest fear at present is that Egypt will be turned over to an Islamic nation.  This report states that a senior Islamic cleric has asked Christian to bow in Muslim prayer in an act of submission.  Almost 200 hundred years ago the rulers of Rome demanded the same thing.  Go on just burn a little incense to  Caesar and you will be all right.  But the act of submission meant that you were recognising Caesar as a god, which no true Christian can do.  Today any such action is to recognise allah as a god.  Allah is a false god, and Muhammed a false prophet.  If people thing the trials that existed before the fall of Mubarak were bad, under militant Islam they could be even worse.  Islam does not believe in a democracy and once in they will abolish democracy.  We saw that in Gaza.  There was a free vote and the majority voted in Hamas.  Hamas then went to war with the only other party in Gaza the Fatah  movement to kick them out.    Since then there has been no free elctions.

The article reports:

JERUSALEM – In what Egypt’s Christians fear may be a sign of things to come, a senior Islamic cleric asked Christians to bow in Muslim prayer in an act of submission to Allah.

On Friday, famed Egyptian theologian Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a spiritual leader to the Muslim Brotherhood who hosts a popular Islam-themed television show on Al Jazeera, led the Islamic prayer services in Cairo’s Tahrir Square, the epicenter of Egypt’s uprising.

While he repeatedly offered nods to Egypt’s Coptic Christians, unmentioned in most news media accounts of the ceremony was that Qaradawi asked all in attendance, specifically singling out Christians, to bow in Islamic prayer.

A Coptic Christian at the event told WND the request was intimidating.

“Whether he meant to or not, this was asking Christian to bow in an act of submission to Islam and Allah,” said the Christian, who asked that he named be withheld.

“There were maybe 250,000 people at the rally. Almost all were Muslims. So when we (Christians) are asked to bow, and we are in the extreme minority in the crowd, it is intimidating.”

The Christian witness said thousands of Christians in attendance at the rally did not bow.

A Coptic Christian leader told WND he believes Qaradawi’s request may reflect a larger emerging Islamic role in Egypt

Qaradawi’s speech was, in part, focused on political Islam, replete with his quoting verses of the Quran.

While he asked the entire rally to bow in Islamic prayer, he also used his speech to reassure the Christian minority of their place in Egypt, telling the crowd that “in this square sectarianism died.”

He discarded the customary Islamic clerical opening of “Oh Muslims,” in favor of “Oh Muslims and Copts.”

He praised Muslims and Christians for standing together in Egypt’s revolution and even hailed what he called the Coptic Christian “martyrs” who once fought the Romans and Byzantines.

Then he asked the Christians to bow in Muslim prayer.

“I invite you to bow down in prayer together,” he said.

Egyptian Christians fear implementation of Islamic law

Qaradawi had been a vocal opponent of deposed Egyptian rule Hosni Mubarak. He has lived in exile in Qatar for decades. His return to Egypt is seen as evidence of a change in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood.

He is banned from entering the United States and Britain for his support of violence against Israel and American forces in Iraq.

Last week, WND reported members of the Coptic Christian community in Egypt quietly met with U.S. officials to object to the inclusion of the Muslim Brotherhood in a committee that is forming a new Egyptian constitution.

Egypt’s ruling military council last week appointed a committee to amend the Egyptian constitution. The new committee consists of eight members, including Sobhi Saleh, a lawyer and a senior member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Brotherhood seeks to establish Islamic law in Egypt. Both Hamas and al-Qaida are violent offshoots of the Muslim Brotherhood.

A top source in Egypt’s Coptic Christian community told WND he and other Coptic Christians held a meeting last Monday with officials at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo to raise objections about the inclusion of the Brotherhood in the constitutional committee.

The source said the Christian community pointed out that the official Muslim Brotherhood charter, amended in 2007, calls for the imposition of Islamic law in Egypt.

Among other things, the charter, obtained by WND, states that non-Muslims cannot hold government positions and must pay to the state the jizya, or special Islamic protection tax.

The constitutional committee held its first meeting on Tuesday with the president of Egypt’s military council. It is mandated to complete its work within 10 days, with a referendum on the amended constitution to take place within two months.

Reawakened terrorist wing

WND was first to report an Egyptian Islamist terrorist organization founded by the Muslim Brotherhood is re-establishing itself amid the political upheaval in Cairo.

Both Egyptian and Israeli security officials said the group, Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, is being reconstituted at the direction of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The officials affirmed Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya serves as the de facto “military” wing of the Brotherhood, which originally founded the group.

Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya is suspected of involvement in the 1981 assassination of Egyptian president Anwar Sadat, and it took credit for the 1995 attempted killing of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. It has carried out scores of deadly terrorist attacks, some targeting foreign tourists.

Last week, an Egyptian security official was quoted in the news media stating Egyptian troops had arrested two armed Palestinians from Hamas who entered the country illegally from the Gaza Strip.

The security official told reporters the men had crossed from Gaza into Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula using smuggling tunnels and that they were arrested in a stolen car in the town of el-Arish, near the border, along with three Egyptian smugglers.

The official told the Associated Press the two Hamas men were caught with weapons, hand grenades, two RPGs and about $8,600 in cash.

A senior Egyptian security official speaking to WND said an investigation found the two Hamas men were aiding in the reorganization of Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, which, he said, is attempting to reconstitute itself under the direction of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Egyptian security official said Hamas is helping Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya organize into divisions and to arm itself with weapons currently in the Sinai waiting to be smuggled into Gaza.

Both Israel and Egypt say Hamas has amassed a large quantity of weapons in the Sinai Peninsula, where the Islamic group has been attempting to smuggle the weaponry into Gaza.

Now, the Egyptian security official said, some of those weapons are going to arm the reconstituted Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya.

Notorious terrorist attacks

Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya is classified as a terrorist group by the U.S., European Union and Egypt. Like the Muslim Brotherhood, the group was dedicated to the overthrow of Mubarak, seeking to replace his regime with an Islamic state.

The group has carried out numerous deadly attacks.

The group’s leader has talked publicly about collaborating in planning the murder of Anwar Sadat with the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, which was blamed for the killing.

In the late 1980s and 1990s, Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya carried out scores of terrorist acts in Egypt, including the murders and attempted murders of prominent Egyptian writers and intellectuals. The group also targeted tourists and foreigners.

In 1997, it carried out the notorious Luxor massacre in Luxor, Egypt, killing 58 foreign tourists and four Egyptians. Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya went on a shooting rampage in that attack, even reportedly mutilating the bodies of victims. A note praising Islam was found inside one disemboweled body.

One year earlier, in 1996, Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya carried out a shooting rampage at the Europa Hotel in Cairo, killing 18 Greek tourists.

In 1995, the group took responsibility for a car bomb attack on the Egyptian embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan, murdering 16 people.

After a massive Egyptian crackdown on the group in 1997 following the Luxor attack, Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya brokered a deal with the Egyptian government that is known as the Nonviolence Initiative, in which some leaders of the movement said they renounced violence.

Still, exiled leaders of Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya maintained the group would not give up its violence.

Brotherhood declares war on U.S.

Prominent U.S. commentators also have been claiming the Muslim Brotherhood is a moderate organization and denying any Islamist plot to seize power.

In November, the Brotherhood’s new supreme guide, Muhammad Badi, delivered a sermon entitled, “How Islam Confronts the Oppression and Tyranny.”

“Resistance is the only solution,” stated Badi. “The United States cannot impose an agreement upon the Palestinians, despite all the power at its disposal. [Today] it is withdrawing from Iraq, defeated and wounded, and is also on the verge of withdrawing from Afghanistan because it has been defeated by Islamist warriors.”

Badi went on to declare the U.S. is easy to defeat through violence, since it is “experiencing the beginning of its end and is heading toward its demise.”


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AS CHRISTIANS WE CANNOT BOW TO ALLAH:  I SUSPECT THIS CLERIC KNEW THAT. We should continue to pray for all those involved that a true democratic and lasting peace be found.

  1. Bowing to Allah?
    It all depends on who you believe Allah is.
    Allah is the Arabic word for God and there are Arab Christians that call our God Allah.
    If they are worshipping the God of Abraham, I would say yes, it’s the same. But if some other god, the answer is no. You run into problems at the divide… the same thing with the Jews. We are separated by our understanding of who Jesus Christ was. The Jews reject Him all together while the Muslims believe He was a Great Prophet born of a virgin Who performed miracles including raising folks from the dead. They don’t believe He was/is the Son of God though. We have this same problems with some denoms of Christianity also such as the Mormons believe Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. I believe that God can show mercy and compassion on whomever He chooses and as I said before, He’s got a tough job. Not from where He sits I’m sure, but if it was our decision, yes.

  2. The Mormons believe that Jesus was the brother of an archangel. This inference by that statement means that the Jesus of Mormonism is not the Jesus of the Bible. In the same way the term GOD is uses throughout the Bible to refer to many gods. Ashtoroth or even Baal were described as gods. Even pharaohs and Caesars were called gods, and many Jews were led to bow down to these false gods and as such follow their wicked ways.

    It was this confusion that that led many Jewish people to go astray and worship false deities. Because false teachers began to preach that Baal or Ashtorath and the God of the Bible were really one and the same God, it was just that he was known by these different names.

    So Jewish people started to worship all these strange idols. This is what we call deception. With the worship came all sorts of false practices.

    Clearly none of these are the God of the Bible. We know this by the description we are given in the Bible. Now the witness we have before us that the God of the Bible had a son. His name is Jesus. The Koran by its own definition declares that Allah had no son. So allah by the Korans own admission is not the GOD of the Bible, Whatever deity it was originally this god is not the one we can call upon. Any more than say calling on Ashtoroth. If Christians are calling upon a false deity then they are wrong to do so. We cannot bow under any circumstance to Allah. Nor can we recognise Muhammed who died and went to hell because he was a false prophet who delivered a false message. If Islam was following the God of Abraham then they would reject Allah and Muhammed. They would recognise Jesus as the one and only way to God, which they don’t. That alone places all Moslems on a road to destruction.

    Psalm 19: 7 The law of the LORD [is] perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD [is] sure, making wise the simple.

    Moslems do not believe that Jesus died on the cross and therefore have no answer for their sins. But hope that their good deeds will out weight their bad deeds. On that basis they have no possible assurance of salvation. Have no hope of salvation via those means.

    John 6: 67- 68 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

    On that basis alone we cannot go to any other mediator or god to seek the father but through Jesus. There lies the stumbling block for Moslems. They must be prepared not to just recognise that Jesus was a prophet but that he is the saviour and redeemer. That his death was the means through which a man can be saved.

  3. Surat Al-Mā’idah (The Table Spread
    5: 51
    The Koran also makes it clear that they are not allowed to take Christians as friends,

    Sahih International
    O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

    This means that any Moslem who befriends a Christian is seen as becoming a Christian. So we should be very wary as to the intentions of those who would seek to befriend a Christian or a Jew.

    Surat At-Tawbah (The Repentance) – سورة التوبة

    Muhsin Khan
    Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

    The Koran makes it clear that Moslems are not to make friends with Christians, but fight them.

  4. Ahmed Hamed Agamy says:

    ” This report states that a senior Islamic cleric has asked Christian to bow in Muslim prayer in an act of submission.”

    This cant be any more false than it is right now…
    im an Egyptian, living in Egypt, and although in the last months the country has been divided into several groups, but in a few more month it will reunite(by the will of Allah”, we are just trying out our new freedom, and our enemies have tried their luck in separating us, but not for long.

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