Talks on Islam: Using the Talmud to excuse Pederasty.

Posted: November 2, 2010 in Islam, Israel
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This is an excerpt from the Islam’s own teaching article.

 Did they know the Marriage Age in Judaism?  

 “Talmud itself allowed making such marriage relation although the girl was just a child, as stipulated in the following teachings:  

The 55th Commandment of Sanhedrin stated: “A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition”.

 The 54th Commandment of Talmud Sanhedrin stated: “Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not deemed as pederasty with a child above that”.

 The 11th Commandment of Talmud Khathoboth mentioned: “The sexual intercourse between an adult man and a young girl is something ordinary”.

 Moreover, Saeed Rabi Joseph wrote: “The girl who attains three years and one day can make sexual intercourse” (1).

 Therefore, in Judaism, it is not a strange issue to make a sexual relationship with a girl of three years, so why they criticized Prophet Muhammad – Peace be upon him – for marrying a nine year old girl

 Lets understand this.  I am told that Islam rejects the Bible because they believe that it was changed.  I suppose they also must believe the same thing about this blasphemous Talmud.  Yet when it is convenient they turn to it to prop up a pagan and horrendous practice of child Pederasty.  As if having sex with a nine years old was ok because the Talmud says its ok to have a child with a three year old.  What!!!

 The idea that we should excuse Pederasty because that was the barbaric thing they did back then.  Excuse me.  That does not mean it is moral, righteous or even acceptable.  If Mohammed was truly led by God he would never have got involved in such barbaric practices.  All this does it show how much Islam itself is not based on holiness but by their own statement is based on pagan practices of that time.  It does not matter if other nations practiced this wickedness, it is still wicked!  Now Islam can’t condemn this practice without condemning their prophet Muhammad.  This poses major problems.  They either acknowledge that it is a wicked practice and therefore condemn Mohammed and therefore making him a false prophet and his message invalid.  Or accept pedophilia as the will of God and see the practice accepted and Proliferated .

 Today in a civilised society we lock people up for such practices.

 This also raises another issue.  What does Islam do with present day pedophiles.  Who believe that it is ok to have sex with young children.  Marry them off so they can excuse it as Mohammed did.  Do they point to other literature which condones it and therefore excuse it.  Or as some have done declare that these men are really unbelievers.   Yet the writer of this article is supposed to be a devout Moslem.  Here they are trying to prop up a vile teaching.

Note also there is no condemnation in the article against such a blasphemous practice as described in the Talmud.      So do  Moslems stand up and condemn such a practice or will they sit back and watch such abuse continue.  Well this was back then.

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Comments
  1. I thought this was about Jews & their child sex problems, why turn it on others?…

  2. Because others use whatever they can to prop up their vile practises.

  3. Abdul Wali says:

    Asalaam u aleikum. Peace be unto you. Yes the Talmud allows for BOTH pederasty and pedofilia.Allah specifically prohibits any form of homosexuality. Qur’an (26:165-166) – “Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, “And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing”. Now you failed to mention and or Take into account that Aicha (radiallahuanha) was the daughter of the prophet Muhammad’s best friend abu bahkr who suceeded the prophet as the first khalifa, abu bahkr encouraged the marriage because he felt who better than the prophet to marry his daughter and once she reached the age of thirteen was the one to avidly encourage the prophet to consummate the marriage in acknowledgement of her menstrual cycle. I take it that both the author and the people who might happen upon this article are people of the books and from this writing I can tell that there is a desire to return to a more ancient and acceptable way of life and perception in this society we have a culture that holds back the youth from becoming joined the union of marriage and the sign from god of menstruation is disregarded as no important thing. if all that is in the heavens and the earth are the iyatullahi the signs of god why would menstruation not be? Holding back youth from marriage leads to fornication, single parents and the degredation of generations.

    • Abdul Wali says:

      I would like to edit but can not seem to, be mindful that Aicha was ecstatic to marry the prophet and there are no forced marriages in the deen of Islam

    • Pulen says:

      Please note your prophet(pbuh) proposed marriage to this girl when she was six and married her when she was nine. Your morality must be based on your own culture and not compared with another’s. If it was permissible then there should not be a debate because the modern world as a majority does not practise this barbaric act.

  4. My concerns here is that all the information says that Aisha was between 6-9 years old. That is just too young to be married of to an older man. To engage in sex with a child that you is both dangerous and emotionaly damaging. The fact that child marriages continue to occur within Islam should cause grave concerns by anyone who cares about the emotional well being of children.

    Tabari VII:7 “The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six.” Ishaq:281 “When the Apostle came to Medina he was fifty-three.”

    Tabari IX:128 “When the Prophet married Aisha she very young and not yet ready for consummation.”

    Qur’an 33:51 “You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame.”

    From the hadith of Bukhari, volume 5, #234

    “Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.”

    Bukhari vol. 7, #65:

    “Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: “I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).””

    From the hadith of Muslim, volume 2, #3309

    Aisha reported: Allah’s Messenger married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine….

    From the hadith of the Sunan of Abu Dawud, volume 2, #2116

    “Aisha said, “The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old.” (The narrator Sulaiman said: “Or six years.”). “He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old.”

    From “The History of Tabari”, volume 9, page 131

    “Then the men and women got up and left. The Messenger of God consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me”…(The Prophet) married her three years before the Emigration, when she was seven years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, after he had emigrated to Medina in Shawwal. She was eighteen years old when he died.

    From the Encyclopedia of Islam, under “Aisha”:

    “Some time after the death of Khadija, Khawla suggested to Muhammad that he should marry either Aisha, the 6 year old daughter of his chief follower, or Sawda Zama, a widow of about 30, who had gone as a Muslim to Abyssinia and whose husband had died there. Muhammad is said to have asked her to arrange for him to marry both. It had already been agreed that Aisha should marry Djubayr Mutim, whose father, though still pagan, was friendly to the Muslims. By common consent, however, this agreement was set aside, and Muhammad was betrothed to Aisha… The marriage was not consummated until some months after the Hidjra, (in April 623, 624). Aisha went to live in an apartment in Muhammad’s house, later the mosque of Median. She cannot have been more than ten years old at the time and took her toys to her new home.”

  5. ‘A’isha reported that she used to PLAY WITH DOLLS in the presence of Allah’s Messenger and when her playmates came to her they left (the house) because they felt shy of Allah’s Messenger whereas Allah’s Messenger sent them to her. (Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5

    This suggests she was still a babe in arms not a women

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