Is this what it is all about?

Pastor Terry Jones of Gainesville, Florida has recently come to light after he announced that he intends to burn a copy of the Koran on Sept 11.  The timing coordinates with the ninth anniversary of the attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon, and the present controversy over the proposed mosque near Ground Zero.

ON his website he states:

Dove World Outreach Center is a New Testament Church – based on the Bible, the Word of God.

We believe that God is calling a new generation in this end time – a generation of believers that is yielded to his Word and his will.

Our Land needs strong churches that understand and fulfill God’s vision of restoration and reformation, churches that are able to handle the revival we will see this century with the apostolic anointing, and bring Godly changes to our entire society.

God has a plan for your life! And we want you to be able to recognize your destiny.

God loves you and he longs for a real and deep relationship with you. He created you on purpose and it’s his desire that everyone knows and fulfills his calling.

 

TEN REASON WHY BURN A KORAN according to TERRY JONES

  1. Koran denies that JESUS CHRIST is a SON of GOD. Which the bible teaches a lot.
  2. Koran doesnt have its eternal origin. Its not Godly Writings are human in origin.
  3. Koran teaching includes Arabian paganism and idolatry, rites and rituals.
  4. Writings of Muslim’s prophet Mohammad were recorded 120 years after his death. May be Mohammad never existed.
  5. Mohammad’s life is not good. His first Meccan period of leadership have been religiously motivated but the 2nd Medina period was corrupted by power and wordly ambitions. These attitude is what GOD hates.
  6. The Islamic law is totalitarian in nature. Theres no separation between state and the church. Its totally Irrational.
  7. Islam is not compatible with democracy and human rights. The notion of a moral individual capable of making decisions and taking responsibility for them does not exist in Islam. The attitude towards women in Islam as inferior possessions of men has led to countless cases of mistreatment and abuse for which Moslem men receive little or no punishment, and in many cases are encouraged to commit such acts, and are even praised for them. This is a direct fruit of the teachings of the Koran.
  8. A Muslim does not have the right to change his religion. Apostasy is punishable by death.
  9. Deep in the Islamic teaching and culture is the irrational fear and loathing of the West.
  10. Islam is a weapon of Arab imperialism and Islamic colonialism. Wherever Islam has or gains political power, Christians, Jews and all non-Moslems receive persecution, discrimination, are forced to convert. There are massacres and churches, synagogues, temples and other places of worship are destroyed.

Rev. John Rankin who opposes Pastor Jones actions writes:

Imagine the Internet being flooded with pictures of a burning Koran, viewed incessantly and widely. Every time it is viewed, especially by tinderbox elements within the Muslim ummah, the potential for dangerous conflict will only grow. It could easily catalyze and bring harm to persons and property. Threats within the Muslim world are already growing. Is this the nature and purpose of the Gospel, to whom Pastor Jones claims allegiance?

Pastor Jones claims to believe in the Bible, so this is where I challenge him. I do so having written a statement of affirmation, on my website, inviting biblically faithful Christians to join in: Yes to the Bible, No to the Burning of the Koran.  

In it, we affirm the full and equal dignity of all Muslim Peoples in the sight of the one true Creator. We do so in affirming the complete truth of the Bible, while at the same time not affirming the nature of the Koran. In the public sphere in the United States, unalienable rights, as rooted in their historical source, are to be honored equally for people, Muslims likewise. This is due not to religious identity, but on the grounds of a deeper shared humanity.

Thus, to put it in political language, our partisan affirmation of the Bible leads us to affirm the full human dignity of those who believe in a text we do not believe in. This is to love God and neighbor, to fulfill the “Golden Rule” of treating others as you wish to be treated.

The ethics of the Bible are by definition proactive, reflecting the declared goodness of the order of creation, and its redemption in Jesus. The word “Gospel” means “good news,” it starts in Genesis and is fulfilled in Jesus. This is Theology 101 for Christians.

Therefore, we who are biblically faithful Christians always seek to be proactive in our actions toward all people. The Gospel empowers us to give to those who would take from us, love those who would hate us, and bless those who would curse us. And as Jesus said, “For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.”

The poet, Heinrich Heine, a German Jew who converted to Christianity, wrote in 1820: “Where books are burned, they will, in the end, burn people, too.” Of course, those words were prophetic of what was to come, a century later, in Nazi Germany.

So, here are seven questions for Pastor Jones:

1. How can his proposed action be other than one of reactive fear, not one of proactive confidence? It is foreign to the Gospel.

2. Is not the burning of the Koran seen by Muslim people as bad news, and thus a hindrance to Muslims grasping the Good News in the lives of Christians?

3. Is not the burning of the Koran an act of accusation and condemnation? The name of Satan in the Hebrew (ha’satan) means “the accuser” or “the slanderer.”

4. Does not the burning of the Koran thus burn Muslims in their very souls?

5. Does not the burning of the Koran by professing Christians thus slander the name of Jesus Christ?

6. What happens if people are killed, injured or persecuted as a result, if properties are burned or damaged, due to an inflamed Muslim world as images of a burning Koran flood the Internet? Who will be ultimately responsible?

7. Jesus, in the face of his enemies during Passover Week, embraced their toughest questions in public assembly. Is not the burning of the Koran the opposite of such confidence in communication?

For Christians who embrace the proactive confidence of the Gospel, we seek out the toughest questions from Muslims in public assembly, among equals in the sight of the one true Creator, where the Bible and the Koran can be looked at side by side.

WHAT IS THERE ABOUT THESE  QUESTIONS THAT SHOULD CONCERN ANY BIBLE BELIEVING CHRISTIAN?  IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS MATTER PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

Here are some of my questions to the Rev. John Rankin and Pastor Terry Jones

  1. Who is on trial here?  A mere pastor from Florida, Christianity as a whole, or the lack of political will to hunt down and eliminate militancy?
  2. Is the reaction from politicians one of fear, submission or an unwillingness to engage militancy at home?
  3. Why are they fighting Islamic militancy when they are willing to almost apologise to them.
  4. Would this same reaction exist if it was Militant Muslims were burning a few Bibles?
  5. Would the burning of a few Korans make up for the hundreds of deaths Militant Moslems have already afflicted on Christians over the recent years.
  6. Would the burning of these books encourage militant to take their hatred out on an already persecuted church.
  7. As Christians are we unwilling to stand by what we believe and call Islam a false religion?

     8.   Rev Rankin says “Imagine the Internet being flooded with pictures of a burning Koran“.  But can we imagine the internet being flooded by pictures of Christians being beaten and killed simply because they are Christians.  They have done nothing wrong, but believe that Jesus is the way the truth and the life.  For that they are attacked, their churches are attacked and their families are attacked and has the good Rev Rankin debated with his Moslem counterparts on this issue.  Has he denounced this violence?    Is he willing to go on record as being disgusted that Militant Moslems have persecuted those he would call brethren?

Does evil beget evil

In the end what opinion should a Christian hold and which pastor reflects a more Biblical stance?

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Comments
  1. Arthur Neville Chamberlain was the prime minister just prior to Winston Churchill. Chamberlain had just come back from meeting with the representatives of Hitler’s cabinet. As he stepped off the plane he held up a piece of paper which signified a peace agreement between the British and the Germans. His immortal words were “peace in our time”

    But Germany had no intention of peace. Hitler wanted a war and the agreement was a lie. Appeasement of evil did not bring peace in our time. Chamberlin was forced to step down as prime minister. The rest is history. The question then is appeasement the way ahead or are we destined for a war No matter if the good pastor burns or does not burn the book? Will the allied forces be any safer is the pastor decides to stop? Or will it now be seen as a triumph for Islam is the Pastor does stop?

    Political gain will be made of it whatever this pastor does. I have NO doubt that whatever the decision is WAR may happen. To the militants if this pastor now decides to stop they will herald it as a victory for Islam and the conquest of the west. This will encourage them to continue to attack Christians. We agree that Islam does not respect our Bible our beliefs or the lives of Christians.

    Chamberlain though he could appease Hitler and it failed. Hitler did not believe that Britain would fight, but would sue for peace. Islam believes that the west is soft and ripe for conquest. They have no respect for the American values and believe that they too will soon sue for peace. They see that they alone have the courage to fight and stand against the Christian west. Until the free west is willing to stand up and fight and make a stand, there may be NO free world left to fight for.

    The only question then is how are we going to stand and send the clear message. NO more killing of our people. NO more burning of our Bibles, NO more burning of our property.

    We are at war and our sisters and brothers over in these countries are fighting it. They are giving their lives for the Christian faith. Maybe the real answer to this question is to ask the very people who are engaged on the front lines. They have more right to answer this question than we do.

  2. joxan says:

    I do ‘not’ agree with the Koran burning in Florida by that Pastor. But it is a big hypocritical double standard when President Barack Obama, Prime Minister Stephen Harper, etc. speak out against this, condemning this which they should do, ‘but’ nothing(not a word) is said by world leaders in public condemning the jailing of people caught with one, banning, confiscation, and/or destruction of Christian Bibles in Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, Bhutan, Myanmar, etc.

    In case you did not know Christian Bibles are banned by law by the Saudi Arabian government(and some other governements). If a person is caught in public with a Christian Bible it is taken away(confiscated) and person can be charged with an offence by the government there. Where is the condemning of this also in public by Presidents, Prime Ministers, etc.? It ‘is’ a big hypocritical double standard by world leaders!

  3. Having grasped the attention of the worlds media. It might be better if Pastor Jones decided to take this opportunity to highlight the sufferings of fellow Christians in Muslim countires. So far all the attention is on the burning of the Koran. There has been not one mention that I have heard from anyone on what is happening to fellow Christians.

    On a local sky news today a member of the Indian government was being interviewed on this issue. It was interesting to listen to some of the conversation. Agreeing that the burning of the Koran was a sensitive issue and as such was unacceptable. When asked if the building of the mosque next to the trade towers in New York should be moved, the answer was that the founding fathers of America allowed for religious freedom. So it would appear that while Moslem sensitivity is an issue, the sensitivity toward those families whose relatives died in the 9/11 attack should not be considered.

    Double standards from the Indian government? Or is it that to a Moslem there can be only one standard, one sensitivity on any matter and one view point?

  4. As the time approaches Pastor Jones has decided to cancel the burning ceremony of the Koran. I think the term is postponed rather than cancelled. Time will tell if he does or does not go ahead with his threats.

    In New York, the leader of the Islamic center project, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, issued a statement saying
    He was glad Jones had decided not to burn the Quran but that he had spoken to neither the pastor nor Musri.
    “We are not going to toy with our religion or any other. Nor are we going to barter,” Rauf said. “We are here to extend our hands to build peace and harmony.”

    I don’t know about you but I see a threat behind that statement. So they will extend their hands of friendship. While Moslems across the world have killed tortured and imprisoned fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord. As a religion I would not trust it.

    However it is also been reported:
    The cancellation also was welcomed by Jones’ neighbors in Gainesville, a city of 125,000 anchored by the sprawling University of Florida campus. At least two dozen Christian churches, Jewish temples and Muslim organizations in the city had mobilized to plan inclusive events, including Quran readings at services, as a counterpoint to Jones’ protest

    Now where in the Bible does it say to have a joint service with a religion that has murdered fellow Christians? Never mind the blasphemy of having readings from the Koran. While militants burn Bibles in Gaza and threaten fellow Christians. We have Christians holding “INCLUSIVE” ecumenical services in reaction to Pastor Jones. Does such words as betrayal of the gospel comes to mind. Never mind the betrayal of fellow Christians who have suffered under the heel of Militant Islamist. While many would breathe a sigh of relief that the burning has been postponed, I find it incomprehensible for any pastor or church to allow readings to be read from the Koran. Islam is a religion that does not recognize that Jesus is the one and only way to God. To place the Koran alongside the Bible shows how many who profess to follow Christ NO longer do.

  5. richvision says:

    something jumped out at me

    I don’t recognize Pastor Jones as a Christian first of all….his agenda is not according to the God of the bible, he is probably tied in with the UN peace plan and this thing is just a ploy to start a revolution (maybe).

    if anyone paid closed attention they would notice he is completely NAR (new apostolic reformation and possibly even latter rain? Dominionist/Kingdom Now/restorationist)re: revival this century (um what happened to the great falling away – well obviously this guy is one of the apostates so he would assume its a revival going on with all the false prophets/teachers/apostles)


    Dove World Outreach Center is a New Testament Church – based on the Bible, the Word of God.

    We believe that God is calling a new generation in this end time – a generation of believers that is yielded to his Word and his will.

    Our Land needs strong churches that understand and fulfill God’s vision of restoration and reformation, churches that are able to handle the revival we will see this century with the apostolic anointing, and bring Godly changes to our entire society.

    God has a plan for your life! And we want you to be able to recognize your destiny.

    God loves you and he longs for a real and deep relationship with you. He created you on purpose and it’s his desire that everyone knows and fulfills his calling.”

    having said all that in my comment above however, there are apparently other places doing the same thing such as Kentucky………..maybe they are all connected to the same NAR influence and zionist agenda?

  6. Well Pastor Jones has made his decision. He is not going to burn the Koran. The poster which advertised the burning the Koran day has been taken down. He has stated that he has fulfilled his objective.

    The News reads:

    “He flew to New York and appeared on NBC’s “Today” show. He says that his Gainesville, Fla., church’s goal was “to expose that there is an element of Islam that is very dangerous and very radical.”

    He tells NBC that “we have definitely accomplished that mission.” He says no meeting is planned with the imam leading the center but he hopes one will take place.”

    Did he or did he not fulfilled his objective?

    Pastor Jones laid out his ten reasons why he should burn the Koran. But to be honest I am not sure that his ten reasons were ever truly highlighted, either in the media or expounded by Pastor Jones.

    The focus became the burning of the Koran; In this aspect I am not sure he did fulfil his objective. Whatever he wanted to highlight I think got lost in the anger and confusion of the moment. But I think to save face and to get out of the spotlight; he decided to claim that he had succeeded when a question mark still hangs over it.

    Now the real question is what does he do will all those Korans people sent him? Time will tell. I have no doubt there are any number of paparazzi out there ready to snap the good pastor at work. One way or the other.

  7. Latest: OK pastor Jones did not get around to burning the Koran. However someone has. Should we be surprised? I suppose not.

    Youtube has removed this video which I had embeded after two men in Gatehead Northumberland England were arrested for simply watching this video

    The protester was Derek Fenton – Who has now been fired from his job with New Jersey Transit. A press release by the Transit agency said that Fenton violated their code of ethics.

    I would be fine if this was a private company firing the guy. But NJ Transit is a government agency – and should a government agency by firing someone for their expression of free speech on the employees’ private time?

    Derek Fentonwas heard to say:

    “If they can burn American flags, I can burn the Koran, America should never be afraid to give their opinion.”

    Sadly in Britain you cant even watch the news in case you see something which could have you arrested.

    Not much of a burning either way. Someone looking for attention and nothing else. It looks like he was escorted out of the area. Fleating moment while the media were all over him. But it cost him his job. Sad day for freedom and liberty.

    The report says:
    In a disturbing development, Northumbria Police in Gateshead last week arrested two men after they watched and shared a video on Facebook of a man burning the Koran in the US during the recent 9/11 commemoration at Ground Zero in New York.

    The men were drinking in the Bugle pub, Leam Lane, Gateshead, when they were arrested after watching and sharing the videos.

    Around 30 people staged a protest outside Gateshead police station on Wednesday evening, the 15th of September, following the arrests.

    The group stood outside the doors to the police station with an England flag for about three hours watched by a contingent of uniformed officers.The protesters had gathered at around 8pm after the two men were arrested earlier in the day on ‘suspicion of inciting racial hatred’.

    The protest continued until around 11pm when the two arrested men were bailed pending further enquiries.

    In a further development, the man who actually burned the Koran in the video on 9/11 in New York has been sacked from his job.

    Derek Fenton, 39, of Bloomingdale, New Jersey, had worked for NJ Transit for 11 years as a conductor and train co-ordinator. One of his neighbours, Jacqui Marquez, said: “Good for him for burning the Koran. Everybody’s entitled to their opinion. By firing him, they’re sending a message that there’s no freedom of speech. They’re completely wrong for doing this.”

    Youtube have now removed all footage of Derek Fenton burning the Koran. Of course, if he had burnt the Stars and Stripes (or any other flag or religious book) the video would still be available. Double standards by Youtube, perhaps?

  8. Indeed, there is a double standard in this case. When someone threatens to burn the Koran, it is condemned not just by Muslims but also by non-Muslim Americans. However, when Bibles, churches, and American flags are burned, there is only silence. Why is this so? I have known that the man who burned the Koran in this video was fired from his job. Where’s justice in America now?

  9. James Burns Qu’rans And Teaches On What God Thinks Of Muslims. James is an ex mormon now converted to Christ.

  10. richvision says:

    James the video didn’t post of James’ Koran burning

  11. richvision says:

    strange it showed up after I made my comment lol – that doesn’t make sense

  12. richvision says:

    the use of fire is good – because it is a lake of fire where all falsehood ends up and it is by God’s fire where we are tested to see if the fruit will last or not

    Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    Luk 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

    Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

  13. Richvision the use of fire is a valid point. Thus is a good illustation. Never thought of it in that context. good! Does anyone else have a slant on this?

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