J. Lee Grady is contributing editor of Charisma  magazine wrote an article recently called

Say Goodbye to the Untouchable Preachers

There is no way we can know how many unbelievers rejected the gospel because they saw the church supporting quacks who swaggered, bragged, lied, flattered, bribed, stole and tearfully begged their way into our lives—while we applauded them and sent them money.”

For the most part the article was very good.  It was sound enough and yet I have my issues with it.


While we have all been naming names, some have had NO clue just how deep the corruption went.  How many would have questioned John piper until his invitation to Warren.    It’s true that Lee Grady should have named names, which he has not.  You can’t point to corruption without first  revealing where that corruption is.  Its like saying the water in the tap is poisonous, but which tap is the poison in.  Because many have failed to name names it has allowed people to assume that all the taps as poisonous.  So the true ministers of the gospel have sometimes been  labeled with the false.  We must separate and reveal where  this corruption exists.  If that means naming names then we have to name names.

In one sense Grady is pointing the right direction, even if it does not go far enough.  It’s also true that these preachers are where they are because they were funded by naive and foolish people who may or may not have been saved.   It is also true we will never know just how many would not drink for any tap just because some  were poisonous.

We have shouted on the house tops about these preachers for years.  We have been maligned and ridiculed as stupid.  Touching the Lord anointed.  We have pushed and shoved, naming names and generally been thought of as trouble makers.   It’s nice to see that maybe the message many of us have been preaching for years is beginning to be heard.

It is understandable that many like Benny , Copeland ,Warren, Oral Roberts ,  Rory Wendy Alec, Robert Schuller,  Crefo Dollar and a whole host of other names were never saved , for had they been their theology would have matched the word of God.   But there were others like Tony Compolo, John Piper,Charles Colson,  Jimmy Swaggard, Jim Bakker, Tammy faye , Ted  Haggard (the man who claimed he over repented) and many others whose ministries have befallen error or Moral corruption.  Yet many were considered orthodox and conservative at the time.  Sometimes a weed look like a flower at the beginning, but left untouched will take over a whole garden.  Many hope for orthodoxy.  Many foolishly believed the promises that these preachers made.    Many never saw or discerned the character of those involved.  For others they could not begin to realise the utter depth of corruption which was taking place.    Even Copeland and Hagin at the beginning of their ministry looked and sounded orthodox and the prosperity gospel was just a novel new idea.  But the weed was allowed to grow.  There was no one that could reach them and weed out the corruption.  But as we now see they were never saved to start with.  It is foolish to believe that they were saved but it took time to discern this.  For others it was fairly easy.  People got wrapped up in the promises of health and wealth.  But the gospel only worked in one direction upward.  Money was accumulated until the prosperity teachers had their big houses, jewels, lavish lifestyles and private Jets.  They could point to themselves as proof that their gospel  worked.    But people failed to realise that it worked because others were paying for it.  The give and you will get gospel only works for those to whom you give it.  But the returns never materialise.  How many prayer partners are running around in Rolls Royce cars, big sea-side mansions, and living in the top hotels in the country.  The allusion of prosperity for many was but a make belief bubble, a Disney experience that sounds good until someone pops it with a needle in the guise of a credit card bill, which you used to finance some prosperity pimp and you don’t have the money to pay for it.

How many were heavily involved in churches that sounded orthodox until the pastor came back from some conference.  He is all fired up and with it comes a new novel idea.  People place their trust in their pastor whom they respect and have known for years.  But the new novel ideas bring corruption and spiritual death in its wake.  We see Christians confused and broken.  They are told to conform or get out.  Friends suddenly become enemies.  E very fibre of your being tells you its wrong doctrine, another spirit at work.  You can see it for what it is.  Yet friends look and with scorn you are told don’t judge, don’t question the pastor, don’t touch the LORDS anointed.  They dance and praise, shake, laugh and fall over with drunkenness.  Yet the witness says don’t touch it, get out and don’t look back.  It takes a bravery born of King David at times to wade through the darkness and troubles.    You doubt and question, yet your love for truth will not let you rest in anything but the truth.  You meet these same church friends in the high street and suddenly instead of a handshake they cross the road to avoid you.  You become the object of whispers and lies.  But I have known these people for years and yet they can’t see what to you is so obvious.    They now preach another gospel which the Bible clearly rejects, but you are told that God is not confined and is doing a new thing.  You try to remind them that the Bible is God inspired and his word never changes.  You are looked at as if you have just crawled out of some rock.  An alien has landed and dropped you off.

You are told that God is not confined to a Box, the box being the Bible.  You tell them about prophecy and how many will come to reject the Bible for doctrines of demons.  But for all the good you might as well have been talking to a wall.

Time is always the enemy of false prophecies and false prophets.  But time is also the enemy of the false believer as well.  The number of those who I once called friends and brothers in Christ who now walk a different path grieves me.  There is no easy answer in this matter.  If our love for truth is greater than our friendship then we must weave goodbye and follow the one who gives us his truth.

The most wicked aspect is that promises which were made came with the full knowledge that the promises could not be kept.  Books were published to make money with no genuine concern for the truth.  They flogged their spurious ideas in the name of Christ, but their ideas pointed nowhere near the truth.

Derek Prince in his last book “Curses and blessings” revealed his WOF connections with a gospel that was an utter betrayal of the truth, a final legacy of error and greed.  In the end making money became more important than the truth.    Was this man deceived or a deceiver?   Prince will always be known as the man who brought in the doctrine of shepherding.  It continued to cause untold harm and misery long after he tried to wash his hands of it.  Like Pontius Pilate there was not enough water to wash his guilt away.

Lee Grady says” Say Goodbye to the Untouchable Preachers”, the truth is they were never untouchable.  These preachers got away with so much because people covered up for them and hid the truth from their own Hearts.  People were swayed by their own greed and selfishness.  These prostitutes of the gospel simply took advantage.  They sold their sin and people bought into it.  Only eternity will reveal the true cost.

  1. MargieinOz says:

    Great article James, but he just didn’t go far enough. Here’s what I posted on Charisma’s website in response to Lee Grady’s article:
    “Deal #7 I agree, NAME THEM (Andrew Strom did) and then let us hear from Lee and Charisma their apologies to the body for promoting these false profit$, liars and thieves. I now know who many of them are (thank God He opened my eyes) and have lost long time Christian friends because I “touched their annointed wolves” attempting to bring my friends into the truth.. Charisma contributed to the damage!!!”
    Lee Grady also wrote an article “Strange Fire in the House” which I sent to one of my friends with the result that she accepted Tod Bentley was a heretic, manifesing the occult and new age teachings , however this same friend later sent me an email simply titled “Goodbye” after I sent her Andrew Strom’s letter which named many of these wolves. She just couldn’t accept that her favourite preachers were wolves in sheeps clothing. She just looked at their fruit!!? What??
    Strange how those who are supposed to be our brethren cut us off when we attempt to rescue them, often using threats, when we have loved them and still do. I am anointed too but they don’t hesitate to touch me!!

    Copied from Charisma Mag:
    Wednesday, 11 February 2009 09:29 AM EST J. Lee Grady Newsletters – Fire In My Bones

    We need to be careful. Current fads involving angels, ecstatic worship and necromancy could push us off the edge of spiritual sanity.

    No one fully understands what Nadab and Abihu did to prompt God to strike them dead in the sanctuary of Israel. The Bible says they loaded their firepans with incense, ignited the substance and “offered strange fire before the Lord, which He had not commanded them” (Lev. 10:1, NASB). As a result of their careless and irreverent behavior, fire came from God’s presence and consumed them.

    Zap. In an instant they were ashes.

    When Moses had to explain to Aaron what happened to the two men, he said: “It is what the Lord spoke, saying, ‘By those who come near to Me I will be treated as holy, and before all the people I will be honored'” (v. 3). Although we don’t know the details of what Nadab and his brother did with the holy incense, we know they were careless and irreverent about the things of God.

    “We want the miracles of God, but we also want the fear and reverence of God. We cannot allow this strange fire to spread unchecked.”

    This ancient story has relevant application for us today. We don’t use incense or firepans in our worship, but we are expected to handle God’s Word with care and minister to His people in the fear of the Lord. In other words: No funny business allowed. We aren’t allowed to mix God’s Word with foreign concepts or mix our worship with pagan practices.

    Yet as I minister in various churches around this country I am finding that strange fire is spreading in our midst-even in churches that call themselves “Spirit-filled.” Pastors and leaders need to be aware of these trends:

    1. Deadly visitations. In some charismatic circles today, people are claiming to have spiritual experiences that involve communication with the dead. One Michigan pastor told me last week that some church leaders he knows promote this bizarre practice and base it on Jesus’ experience on the Mount of Transfiguration. The logic is that since Jesus talked to Moses and Elijah on the day He was glorified, this gives us permission to talk to dead Christians and our dead relatives.

    Although little is said about these experiences from the pulpit (since the average believer is not ready to handle this “new revelation”), people in some streams of the prophetic movement are claiming to have visitations from Aimee Semple McPherson, William Branham, John Wimber or various Bible characters. And we are expected to say, “Ooooooo, that’s so deep”-and then go looking for our own mystical, beyond-the-grave epiphany.

    That is creepy. Communication with the dead was strictly forbidden in the Old Testament (see Deut. 18:11), and there is nothing in the New that indicates the rules were changed. Those who seek counsel from the dead-whether through mediums and séances or in “prophetic visions”-are taking a dangerous step toward demonization.

    2. Ecstatic rapture. Not long after ecstasy became known as a recreational drug, someone in our movement got the bright idea to promote spiritual ecstasy as a form of legitimate worship. The concept evolved from “spiritual drunkenness” to the current fad in which people gather at church altars and pretend to shoot needles in their arms for a “spiritual high.” Some preachers today are encouraging people to “toke the Holy Ghost”-a reference to smoking marijuana.

    I hate to be a party pooper, but the Bible warns us to “be of sound judgment and sober spirit” (1 Pet. 4:7). There is plenty of freedom and joy in the Holy Spirit; we don’t have to quench it by introducing people to pagan revelry. Christian worship is not about losing control. Those who worship Jesus do it “in spirit and in truth” (John 4:24), and our love for God is not measured by how violently we shake or how many times we fall on the floor.

    Recently I told a friend in Pennsylvania that when people get tired of this drug imagery it won’t be long before we see some Christians having sexual experiences at the altar. “It’s already happening,” my friend said. He described a recent “worship concert” in which one of the musicians simulated sex while stroking a microphone and whispering sensual phrases to Jesus. What is next-orgasmic worship? God help us.

    3. Angels among us. Angels have always played a vital role in the life of the church. They are “ministering spirits” sent to protect, guide and strengthen believers (Heb. 1:14). But suddenly angels have become the rage in some segments of our movement. People are claiming to see them everywhere, and often the stories don’t line up with the Word of God.

    During the Lakeland Revival last year in Florida, a man from Germany took the stage and claimed that an angel walked into a restaurant while he was eating a hamburger, took his intestines out and replaced them with a gold substance. Others have testified that angels took them to heaven and operated on them. And many are claiming that angels are dropping feathers, gold dust and precious gems on worshippers.

    I know God can do anything. He can make an iron axe head float, hide a coin in a fish’s mouth and use a little boy’s lunch to feed a multitude. Those were genuine miracles that He can still do today. But we still have to use caution here. There are counterfeits. If we promote a false miracle or a false angel in the Lord’s house, we are participating in strange fire.

    I know of a case where a man was caught planting fake jewels on the floor of a church. He told his friends he was “seeding the room” to lift the people’s faith. I know of others who have been caught putting gold glitter on themselves in a restroom and then running back in a church service, only to claim that God was blessing them with this special favor. Where is the fear of God when Christians would actually fabricate a miracle?

    This is a time for all true believers with backbones to draw clear lines between what is godly worship and what is pagan practice. We want the miracles of God, but we also want the fear and reverence of God. We cannot allow this strange fire to spread unchecked.From: “REVIVAL List”
    Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:57:37 -0600

    Copied from http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/
    -by Andrew Strom.

    I just saw the video of Rick Joyner announcing that Todd Bentley
    is back ministering every night at Morningstar in North Carolina
    and now they have so-called “revival” manifestations eerily similar
    to Lakeland. They also announced that they are streaming these
    big meetings every night on their new TV channel – and they are
    greatly promoting the whole thing.

    Now I am a tongues-speaking Pentecostal myself – but can I ask
    a simple question here please? What kind of “spirit” was it
    operating in the Lakeland revival – when the leader and main focal-
    point of the meetings (Todd Bentley) was having an adulterous
    affair behind the scenes? Was it truly the “Holy” Spirit that was
    anointing something so sensual and unholy? And now that Todd
    divorced his wife and married his mistress – are we supposed to
    welcome him back and this “anointing” with him? What is going
    on here? Rick Joyner has been warned very specifically by high-
    level ministries not to do what he is doing now – bringing Todd
    Bentley back into the limelight. And yet it seems he does not
    care. Apparently the “manifestations” are all that matter.

    So what exactly are these ‘manifestations’ if they are seemingly
    at home in such an unholy environment? Are they from God at
    all? (I am talking here about the violent “jerking”, uncontrollable
    laughter, bodily contortions, drunkenness, ‘portals’, strange “angel”
    encounters, etc.) Why do we not see such an ‘anointing’ in the
    Bible? Why aren’t Jesus or the apostles promoting these
    manifestations if they really are true Revival? Why instead do we
    see these things all the way through the New Age and Hinduism,
    etc? Do we not realize that many false religions have their own
    version of “laying on of hands” that results in these very types of
    manifestations? This ‘spirit’ is not in the Bible – but it is all the
    way through Kundalini-type Hinduism! Don’t you think this should
    alarm us?


    If you search for Kundalini and Shakti on the Internet, you will find
    that multitudes of people in the New Age and Eastern religions
    still experience these powerful manifestations. Often this is with
    the help of a Guru, who touches them on the forehead so that
    they can experience a “Kundalini Awakening”.

    As researcher Robert Walker wrote in 1995:
    “The meetings which mystic Hindu gurus hold are called ‘Darshan’.
    At these meetings devotees go forward to receive spiritual experience
    from a touch by the open palm of the hand, often to the forehead,
    by the guru in what is known as the Shakti Pat or divine touch.
    The raising of the spiritual experience is called raising Kundalini…
    After a period when the devotee has reached a certain spiritual
    elevation they begin to shake, jerk, or hop or squirm uncontrollably,
    sometimes breaking into uncontrolled animal noises or laughter
    as they reach an ecstatic high. These manifestations are called
    ‘Kriyas’. Devotees sometimes roar like lions and show all kinds
    of physical signs during this period. Often devotees move on to
    higher states of spiritual consciousness and become inert
    physically and appear to slip into an unconsciousness…”

    And as the guru Shri Yogãnandji Mahãrãja wrote:
    “When Your body begins trembling, hair stands on roots, you laugh
    or begin to weep without your wishing, your tongue begins to utter
    deformed sounds, you are filled with fear or see frightening visions…
    the Kundalini Shakti has become active.”

    In China there is a popular Kundalini-type movement called ‘Qigong’.
    When a Chinese Qigong spiritual master spoke in the USA in
    1991, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that many in the crowd
    began to experience “spontaneous movements”. The master told
    his audience, “Those who are sensitive might start having some
    strong physical sensations – or start laughing or crying. Don’t worry.
    This is quite normal.”

    When you see videos of these “kriyas” or other Kundalini-type
    manifestations, you would often swear that you are watching a
    modern “Impartation”-type church meeting. (And I say this as
    someone who believes strongly in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I just
    don’t believe in “alien” anointings infiltrating the Body of Christ!
    There is a big difference between Kundalini and the real Holy Spirit).

    Since 1993-4, I believe a foreign spirit has been allowed to invade
    the church – first through Rodney Howard-Browne’s ministry – then
    Toronto, then the Prophetic movement (which I was part of at the
    time) and on into Lakeland and many other ministries and
    movements. I urge people now to “test the spirits” just as we are
    commanded to in Scripture. Do not let just anyone lay hands on
    you. This is a powerful spirit and it has the backing of a lot of
    big-name ministries. In fact, these men and women are the very
    ones responsible for allowing it to spread right through the body
    of Christ. And one day they will be answerable to God for doing so.

    We are specifically warned in the Bible that the Last Days will be
    a time of “seducing spirits,” false prophets, ‘lying signs and
    wonders,’ and that we always need to watch for “angels of light”
    masquerading as the real thing. Why does the modern church
    not take these warnings seriously? Aren’t we living in the very
    days that the Bible warns about?

    Right now I need to do something that I have never done in such
    a way before. I have never before published a list of ministries or
    movements to watch out for. But this time I have to. This sickness
    has gone on long enough. I urge you to cut yourself off from
    the following ministries and their tainted “anointings” my friends.
    Even though some of these people say “good things” at times, it
    is simply not worth having any involvement with them due to the
    tainted anointing that they endorse or minister in themselves. Here
    is the list-

    (1) Todd Bentley.
    (2) Rodney Howard Browne – the so-called “Holy Ghost Bartender.”
    (2) Rick Joyner or anyone connected with Morningstar Ministries.
    (3) John Arnott & any connected with TACF (The “Toronto Blessing”).
    (4) Peter Wagner of the ‘New Apostolic Reformation’ who claims
    to be head of a worldwide network of ‘apostles’ – who publicly
    endorsed Lakeland and will soon preach at Toronto TACF alongside
    other “false anointing” advocates.
    (5) Mike Bickle and IHOP Kansas City (-I lived nearby for over
    two years – and know how much they are into all this stuff. Mike
    Bickle promotes it in his book).
    (6) Bob Jones – the Kansas City prophet whose ministry is utterly
    tainted by it all.
    (7) Patricia King and anyone else from ‘Extreme Prophetic.’
    (8) John Crowder & anyone connected with “Sloshfest.”
    (9) Bill Johnson of Bethel church, Redding – who says some good
    things but publicly endorsed Lakeland and promotes the “false
    anointing” very strongly behind the scenes.
    (10) Heidi & Rolland Baker of IRIS Ministries – who do good work
    amongst the poor in Mozambique – but who have also carried
    and promoted this tainted anointing for years.
    (11) Randy Clark, Wes & Stacey Campbell, and other key
    figures from the “Toronto blessing.”
    (12) The Elijah List – and almost anyone featured on it.

    Of course there are a huge number of lesser-known preachers
    and ministries who carry or endorse this Kundalini-type “anointing”
    around the world. But I have concentrated here on the most
    influential that I know of. It really is an enormous issue in the
    church. I urge anyone who is a supporter of any of the above
    ministries to really check them out thoroughly. If you find (as I have)
    that they carry or endorse this false Kundalini spirit in the church,
    then please stop supporting them in any way – and whatever you
    do, don’t let them “lay hands” on you!

    I am putting everything on the line to be “naming names” like this.
    But I believe it is that serious. How on earth did we get to the point
    where “kriyas” just like Hinduism are spreading through the church?

    Please forward this email to everyone you know, blogs and boards,
    etc. These people are trying to “relaunch” this whole thing right
    now. Help us get this warning out. To see a video showing “kriyas”
    and other Kundalini-type manifestations, please click on the
    Youtube links below-

    Please send feedback on this article to- prophetic@…

    God bless you all!

    Andrew Strom.

  2. margeinoz thanks for adding to the rogues list of false teachers. Good work. I missed a few myself. They need naming so name on!

  3. Kelechi Duru says:

    i have one question for all you self-righteous,judge,jury &’knower’ of all those saved &unsaved…how many times have you fasted/prayed for these men,for God to help them get truly ‘saved’,have you ever tried contacting them personally to talk to them?yet you claim to be a christian,who ought to walk in love,esp towards the weak or unsaved ones.you’re just a bunch of haters &backstabbers.you’re not trying to help but defame &tear down,is that what your gospel teaches?foolish christians!

    • William Cook says:

      It is not a question of whether we have prayed or fasted for these men. These so-called men of God are supposed to know better regarding the Word of God. They themselves haver been deceived by Satan into beleiving they are of God. Also if you know the scriptures yourself you will see clearly that Jesus Himself, plus the apostles exposed false preachers, false brethren, and the apostle Paul even went so far as calling them by name. These so-called men of God are enemies of the Cross and must be exposed for the lies they are spreading within the Body of Christ.

  4. Kelechi it seems obvious that this post has touched a raw nerve. You have to understand that if these men are following another gospel then those who follow them will also be led down the same garden path. If is not my intention simply to expose but to WARN!!!.

    If a bridge accross a ford is down and the freeway is full of traffic heading towards it. You have to stand up , shout wave, and do whatever is possible to warn the traffic that the bridge is down, LIFE IS TOO SHORT AND ETERNITY TOO LONG TO GET THINGS WRONG.

    The Apostle Paul himself named names, not because it was fun, but to protect the sheep from harm. So we must warn. If you stand on quicksand OF FALSE DOCTRINE you will soon find yourself up to ones neck in it. Some of these men are not out there for your benefit but for their own. The all too sorry tale is that many have found the pulpit not a means to preach christ in sincerity, but for a avenue for wealth and fame. This too was also mentioned by Paul. People preach the gospel for many different reasons. Not all are pure.

    Some of the men who have been mentioned have simply themselves been caught up by the charisma of others. However there are also many ravenous wolves who have no real care for the sheep, but are out to fleece the flock for all they can get.

    It must also be reminded the many sincere Bible believing Christians who have been taken for a ride, fleeced and shaved by these wolves. Their lives abused and damaged. Where christ name has been down troden. Some have given these men a fortune, but when in hard time needed help that help was refused. So remember Wolves have little care who they fleece. What happens afterwards is not their concern. But it is Gods concern and the concern of those who love Christ and love his word. Holy Ground is always the place we wants all Bible believing Christians to be standing on.

    The greatest difficuty is not to get the Bible believer to follow and be grounded in the minister, but to be grounded in Gods word and in Christ Jesus. We all make mistakes so it important that we dont follow men but God. That is also where many genuine mistakes get made. High profile charismatic ministers rightly or wrongly can ground their congregation in themselves. So that people start placing their faith in a man, rather than God. The end result has always been disaterous.

  5. William Cook says:

    Wake up saints of God. You are being deceived by these false prophets the likes of Bentley. He is a perfect example of what Jesus spoke in Matthew 24, In the last day false christs and false prophets will come in My name and will decieve many. Are you so blind children of God. Bentley and company [Hinn, Parsley, Howard-Browne, Copeland etc] Listen to what they are saying and compare it with the Word of Almighty God.

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