Posted: June 29, 2010 in false teachers, Social Trends, Westboro Baptist church
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Once again Westboro church is in the news, and this time it is lady Gaga who is in their firing line.

Westboro Baptist Church hates Lady Gaga!

God hates gaga

God hates Gaga

Now I have no delight for her style of music.  I take no interest in her dance routines or her sensual costumes, but am I called to hate the woman because she is not  a  Christian?  Am I called upon to malign her, despise her, call her names, and generally wish her dead?

What does the Bible stand on this matter?

  • John 3:16-17 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

You may or may not know the church in question although many in America have come to hear of their antics at some point or other.  So a quick introduction might help us glean a little bit about them.   Although the article is not really about the church but about hatred and how scripture deals with it.

This is from their own web site:

  • Established in 1955 by Pastor Fred Phelps, the Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) of Topeka, Kansas still exists today as an Old School (or, Primitive) Baptist Church. We adhere to the teachings of the Bible, preach against all form of sin (e.g., fornication, adultery [including divorce and remarriage], sodomy), and insist that the sovereignty of God and the doctrines of grace be taught and expounded publicly to all men. These doctrines of grace were well summed up by John Calvin in his 5 points of Calvinism: Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, and Perseverance of the Saints. Although these doctrines are almost universally hated today, they were once loved and believed. Even though THE ARMINIAN LIES THAT “GOD LOVES EVERYONE” AND “JESUS DIED FOR EVERYONE” ARE BEING TAUGHT FROM NEARLY EVERY PULPIT IN THIS GENERATION, this hasn’t always been the case. If you are in a church that supposedly believes the Bible, and you are hearing these lies, then your church doesn’t teach what the Bible teaches. If you care about your never-dying soul, you will carefully read every word of this web site, along with the entire Bible.

If we are to believe Westboro Baptist Church that Gods loves is limited to but a few we would in fact make God into a liar.  John 3:16 says for” God so loved the world”   Does the “world” not mean everyone. Or has there been some great mistake and God accidentally put that verse in by mistake?

I think it means exactly what it says. Lets continue:

  • WBC engages in daily peaceful sidewalk demonstrations opposing the homosexual lifestyle of soul-damning, nation-destroying filth. We display large, colorful signs containing Bible words and sentiments, including: GOD HATES FAGS, FAGS HATE GOD, AIDS CURES FAGS, THANK GOD FOR AIDS, FAGS BURN IN HELL, GOD IS NOT MOCKED, FAGS ARE NATURE FREAKS, GOD GAVE FAGS UP, NO SPECIAL LAWS FOR FAGS, FAGS DOOM NATIONS, THANK GOD FOR DEAD SOLDIERS, FAG TROOPS, GOD BLEW UP THE TROOPS, GOD HATES AMERICA, AMERICA IS DOOMED, THE WORLD IS DOOMED, etc.

The fact that homosexuals do get saved and do come out of that life style proves Gods love towards them.  So God does not give up on “fags” as they choose to call them.  Aids never did cure homosexuals from that lifestyle, they simply became more aware of what they were doing and adapted their practices and then carried on.   Many who were never homosexuals where contaminated with aids because of contaminated blood supplies.  Yet I have to also accept that some of their signs are also true.  God is not mocked.  America is doomed unless they repent.  But I suspect the last part about repentance is not included on their signs.  Fags burn in hell, but then all who continue in sin and reject Gods offer no matter what their persuasion are in danger of hell.  If you claim to follow him and yet do not obey him can you really be said to be following him?  That must also include Westbro Baptist Church.

  • Perceiving the modern militant homosexual movement to pose a clear and present danger to the survival of America, exposing our nation to the wrath of God as in 1898 B.C. at Sodom and Gomorrah, WBC has conducted 43,601 over 34,000 such demonstrations since June, 1991, at homosexual parades and other events, including funerals of impenitent sodomites (like MATTHEW SHEPARD) and over 200 military funerals of troops whom God has killed in Iraq/Afghanistan in righteous judgment against an evil nation. (See a list of cities where WBC has picketed, and read our FAQ for more information). America crossed the line on June 26, 2003, when the Supreme Court (the conscience of the nation) ruled that we must respect sodomy. WBC teams have picketed all over the United States, and internationally (including Canada, Jordan and Iraq). The unique picketing ministry of Westboro Baptist Church has received international attention, and WBC believes this gospel message to be this world’s last hope. See our news section to keep up with the latest international news regarding WBC. WBC has also been the subject of several documentary films. For example, the BBC’s “The Most Hated Family In America,” “Keith Allen Will Burn In Hell”, ” Hatemongers  “, “Fall From Grace”, and “The Significant Minority.”

Matthew Shepard (December 1, 1976 – October 12, 1998) was a 21-year-old student at the University of Wyoming who was tortured and murdered near Laramie, Wyoming, in October 1998. He was attacked on the night of October 6–7, and died at Poudre Valley Hospital in Fort Collins, Colorado, on October 12 from severe head injuries.

During the trial, witnesses stated that Shepard was targeted because he was homosexual. Shepard’s murder brought national and international attention to the issue of hate crime legislation at the state and federal levels.(

However in comparison to the media coverage that Matthew Shepherds case received.  It would seem that a attacks by Homosexuals on Christians is not counted as a hate crime

  • [Author Janet Folger] observes that while there were 13,500 stories on the murder of Matthew Shepard, who was a homosexual, there were only 632 stories on the brutal murder of 13 year old Jesse Dirkhising by homosexual assailants. The people who killed Matthew Shepard later confirmed that they
    didn¹t do it out of any animosity for his sexual behaviour ­ they killed him
    for money for drugs. Both killers attacked Shepard for robbery; it had
    nothing to do with his homosexuality.
    Yet there was massive newspaper and TV coverage of the Shepard case, two major Hollywood specials, three TV movies and a play, all depicting Shepard as a victim of an anti-homosexual hate crime.

    However, people like Jesse Dirkhising, who was bound, gagged and
    brutally sodomised, then smothered to death, by homosexual assailants failed to receive any such media coverage.

    Similarly, the murder of Mary Stachowicz, a 51 year old wife, and mother of 4, who was murdered by a 19 year old homosexual, Nicholas Gutierrez, for witnessing to him and suggesting that he could change his lifestyle, was ignored by most newspapers.

    This mother, who was described as a deeply compassionate church member and soft-spoken, was “punched, kicked, stabbed and strangled to death.” But that wasn’t considered a hate crime.

    (Folger,The Criminalisation of Christianity, Multnomah Press, 2005).

So we are going to examine what the Bible has to say on this matter.

  • “Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Rom. 9:13. God doesn’t love everyone, you simpleton. How long will you love simplicity? Prov. 1:22. “ ( Westboro Baptist church)

The use of this verse comes as no surprise.  However to base their entire theology around this one verse, and to this degree takes some effort.  Let’s start with this verse then.

Jacob have I loved, But Esau have I hated

Paul is quoting on an Old Testament situation

In one commentary which I looked regards this situation it says.

With regard the love and the hate God speaks of here as having to do with his purposes in choosing one to become the heir of the covenant of Abraham.  In that regard God is showing preference.  This could be seen as a display of love towards Jacob and hated towards Esau.

Another example where hate is clearly seen as something like less than loves.  Gen 29:31- 33.  Deut 21: 15.  Matt 6:24 Luke 14:26 John 12:25. This idea actually is in line with Calvin’s idea that the real thought here is much more like “accepted” and “rejected” more than our understanding of the terms “loved” and “hated.”

For the most part Esau was a blessed man Gen 33:8-16-Gen 36.  Hardly the object of a man hated by God.

A woman once said to Mr. Spurgeon, ‘I cannot understand why God should say that He hated Esau.’ ‘That,’ Spurgeon replied, ‘is not my difficulty, madam. My trouble is to understand how God could love Jacob.’” (Newell)

  • Gal 5:20   Idolatry, witchcraft, HATRED, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

You mean hatred is a work of the FLESH!!!  So where does Westboro Baptist Church stand on that matter?

Work of the flesh is hate but the fruit of the spirit is love

If God Holy Spirit seeks to reproduce the nature of God in us and that nature is love, it would then seem contrary to Gods nature to produce hate?

Scripture also seems to indicate that there may also be degrees of love.

So with God there may be degrees of love?  Which we look at in a minute.

  • 1Jo 4:8 “ He that loveth not knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.”

So we have an even greater encouragement.  If we don’t love we are being disobedient to the commands of God.

In comparison I could not find one sentence that says “GOD IS HATE”  That means Gods fundamental nature is love.  However many could then argue that because God is so loving he will forgive people even if they reject him.  But that is not what he is saying.

  • 1Jo 5:3 “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.”

Now many cant separate the fact that a God of love may actually hate the sins we commit.

Gods love and obedience to God go hand in hand.  The Love God is speaking about will in fact demand a response to God by keeping his law.  Not because it is there but because we desire and love to keep his commands.

  • Luk 14:26 If any [man] come to me, and HATE not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Here the word hate is used in regard to families.  Is God saying we are to actively despise and hate our families?  NO   This is one of degrees which I mention.  What God is saying is that by placing God first and foremost it would appear that we hate others in comparison.  Does not scripture also say we are to honour our fathers and mothers?  So the issue is degrees of love rather than some malignant loathing towards our parents.

  • Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment

The Love that God commands should be an expression of obedience to him.  That obedience will not just have an upward devotion, but it will have a practical downward expression towards others.

  • Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

What is that old saying “ Too heavenly minded to be of earthly good”   In reality the more heavenly minded we are  the more earthly good we become.

  • Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD [is] to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

This is the real deal when it comes to loving God.  We begin to hate what God hates and love what God loves.

So when Westboro Baptist church says things like “THANK GOD FOR DEAD SOLDIERS”  Are they hating the people who died or do they hate the sins they committed.  Clearly they are directing their anger at people.  If we are to love people, does it mean we also love their sins?  No that is not born out in scripture.  Because we love God we will hate the sins people do.

We can hate those sins because we know that sin separates from God.  Sin will be judged by God.  In a righteous universe to come SIN must be put away.  Often the problem is that we often find it hard to love people and also to hate the sins people commit.

  • Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

God almost explains this aspect of sin as a controlling aspect that if allowed will enter in and control the person who gives himself to it. Cain could either resist it or give into it.  And by giving into this sin it will dominate his life.  Was it jealousy , anger hatred towards his brother Abel whose sacrifice was accepted and his was not.  In the end that sin did indeed dominate and in his anger he kills his brother.    So can we say that we are to hate that which would control, and pull us away from God?

The pain of unforgiving

  • Mat 6:14 -15 “  For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”

Now God does not just call upon us to love others but we are also to forgive them as well.  There appears to be only one stipulation by God to receiving forgiveness for ourselves and that is we are to forgive.  If we do not forgive then we will not be forgiven

This deserves an article in itself.  The parable of the unforgiving servant.  Because the servant would not forgive and release someone from the debt he owned.  He was given over to the tormentors.

Matt 18: 34-35 “And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the TORMENTORS, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye FROM YOUR HEARTS FORGIVE NOT EVERY ONE HIS BROTHER THEIR TRESPASSES.

The word for tormentors is  1) one who elicits the truth by the use of the rack. a) an inquisitor, torturer also used of a jailer doubtless because the business of torturing was also assigned to him.  In reality

Who or what these tormentors are is only half the story.  What you will be given over too is a horror In itself.  How many times God forgives is probably more than we can count, but to withhold that same forgiveness actively stops God in forgiving us.  It opens doors to a prison that will bind and cause us suffering.  It can cause a person to become twisted and caustic towards others.  Bitterness and rage which will poison the soul and leave an emotional scar that cannot be so easily healed.  There can be nothing worse than a church which lives and breathe hatred against others.  For in so doing they are in danger of unforgiveness.


No.  We recognise that in loving others that love will not always be reciprocated, understood or even appreciated.  The apostles were often misunderstood and maligned.  They were persecuted, imprisoned and even tortured.  But like Jesus they were given the strength to utter the words father forgive them for they no not what they do.    Sin by nature blinds our conscience and makes deaf our understanding.  In loving others we do not seek to be ignorant of sins?  No, It is because we are aware that we seek to win them for Christ.

So the question we started of with I hope has been answered.  I may hate Gaga’s music and sensual clothing and dance.  But I cannot hate that which we are called to love.    But that love desires only her highest good and that good is to come to know the reality of who God is and the salvation which has been offered.

1 Cor 13 must be the Christian manual book of loving other.  We can have all the gifts and charismatic appeal and yet if we have no love.  Then we are nothing more than a loud nasty noise.

LOVE Rejoiced not in iniquity, but rejoiced in the truth

Gods love is not weak or soft but is practical, it is demonstrative, and it has no love for iniquity.  Takes great delight in what is truthful and especially in Gods word. While we might not understand all things as yet.

Love Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

There is something about this love that in the face of tribulation and despair and doubt.  When we really do not understand all the mysteries, this love will hold fast.  It has the ability to see beyond and capture hold of the reality of God.  Hate by nature blinds and hardens.  Love by nature softens us to God.  Love makes us available to the tender mercies of God.

  • Pro 8:36 “But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.”

Love is not blind but recognises the gravity of the situation.  In the end when someone sins he wrongs or hates his own soul.

The wrong hated will produce all the wrong fruit.  The right hared of sin will produce all the right fruit. The right hatred will not hate the person but his sins.  The wrong hatred will come to hate everything and everyone.


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