(SUNDAR FOR SHORT)
Sundar is the founder of Jesus Ministries
On a sermon tape called “ Strategic positioning in the end times “ he says:
“Meeting one night Jesus came and stood by me and pointed his finger at this sister and asked her to stand up …………(again )…..Jesus Christ appeared before me, and now I am going to test their hearts (youth who had came forward) …….. Angel of the Lord appeared before me. Angel of the Lord appeared before me (again) reveal word for his TV station.”
So we have a reference that Jesus on two separate occasions came and stood next to him. The main theme of the sermon is being in the right place at the right time.
John 16:7 “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; IT IS EXPEDIENT FOR YOU THAT I GO AWAY: FOR IF I GO NOT AWAY, THE COMFORTER WILL NOT COME UNTO YOU; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
The strategy is that Jesus in going back to the father made it possible for us to receive the Holy Spirit. If Jesus did not go then the Holy Spirit would not come. The Holy Spirit continues the Ministry Jesus left behind. This means that Jesus cannot come back physically for it would undermine the ongoing ministry of the Holy Spirit. Jesus was only physically in one place whilst the Holy Spirit is everywhere. So he is able to minister far more effectively than Jesus did.
Acts 1:11” Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, SHALL SO COME IN LIKE MANNER AS YE HAVE SEEN HIM GO INTO HEAVEN.”
All who were present saw Jesus ascend. Openly testified by angels and seen by men. So in THIS MANNER WILL HE RETURN? No rocket science there. Yet we are to believe Jesus casually throws aside his word to make some invisible weekend trips. When he ascended he was seen by a few, when he returns HE WILL BE SEEN BY ALL. If someone claims that Jesus had visited and you have not seen him, then he has not returned.
Rev 1:7” Behold, he cometh WITH CLOUDS; AND EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM, and they [also] which pierced him: and ALL KINDREDS OF THE EARTH SHALL WAIL BECAUSE OF HIM. Even so, Amen.”
This is the fulfilment of that promise return. Scripture tells us clearly his departure and his return. Now Jesus warns us about any intermediate return.
Matt 24:23-26 “Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; BELIEVE [IT] NOT.”
Jesus speaks about a future end times when false Christ’s and False prophets will arise. One of those signs will be those who will claim that Jesus has manifested himself to some special prophet or apostle. Jesus clearly says “DO NOT BELIEVE IT”. This means I have Jesus own word on this matter. Otherwise any secret return cannot be accepted.
When the apostle John saw Jesus his reaction was to fall down before him.
John 1:17” And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last”
Yet we have testimonies of Jesus appearing before people with the causality of an Asda shopper. The fact that there is no reaction as we see with John surely must make it suspect.
Now the interesting thing about Sundar is how he writes himself into prophecy as the fulfilment of prophecy. On the same tape he speaks about the angel of Revelation 4
Rev 14:8 “And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”
Sundar calls his TV Station ANGEL TV, and believes that the scripture reference has nothing to do with an actual angelic angel but his TV station. He goes on to say :
“Two witnesses to speak to the Jews specifically. Whole world will see them. How will he do that unless God has his own TV CHANNEL?…. do you think channel 8 will do that. “
(That idea comes with numerous problems. Who says that the atheistic none believing world will want to watch his TV station? )
Small article on his television ministry titled “Angels”!
“In heaven, the apostle John saw three angels flying around and proclaiming to the people of the earth about God (Revelation 14:6-8). Proclaiming the gospel over the airwaves is similar to those angelic proclamation. Interestingly one of the meanings for the WORD ‘ANGEL’ IN GREEK IS ‘WIND’. AND AIRWAVES ARE ALSO WIND, ISN’T IT?”
I have tried to find this reference in the Greek and I cannot find it
Angel in the Greek is Aggelos ) a messenger, envoy, one who is sent, an angel, a messenger from God There is not one word about being translated as wind.
Strategic positioning in the end times sermon: While he believes he has a divine mandate to start this TV station with signs and visits from Jesus he goes on to push for donations to fund the project. Now Sundar does not simply get visits from just any angels but TOP angels and is attacked by TOP demons. He says “He had to fight some High ranking Demons of large continent demons” Sundar makes even Todd Bentley sound positively trivial when it comes to the shear number of angelic visitations. Even God the Father booms down from heaven to the waiting Sundar
“God’s TV Station “for India & the East to win souls for Jesus” : “Angel Satellite TV”
“On 01/01, 2003, while waiting upon God, the authoritative voice of the heavenly Father God thundered from the heavens: ‘This is My Channel. This will be My Voice to speak to the nations”
God’s voice to the nations is in fact the Holy Spirit. He is now Gods spokesman, and it is he that will reveal Gods will through scripture to the nations.
Angel TV was inaugurated successfully in December 2005……… “the founder of Angel TV, Sadhu Sundar Selvaraj announced that the channel is going to be closed soon. Hearing this, the entire spiritual fraternity of Tamil Nadu stood shocked and I was no exception”! 2006
While I have no ability to check on this report other than what it says. It does seem strange that a God that can speak so clear would then have allowed a problem to arise that would have his voice to the nations close down. However knowing how these TV evangelists work the likelihood is he received a large contribution from somewhere to keep it going.
A reported article titled “Satellite Television: A Fulfilment of Prophecy” quotes Zech 5:1 which is about a flying scroll flying in the heavens. Apparently this is also reference to Sundar satellite.
Yet when you actually read this chapter the scroll is in fact a curse. Strange that anyone would refer to their own TV channel as a curse?
Zech 5:4 (American Standard Version) “I will cause it to go forth, saith Jehovah of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name; and it shall abide in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.”
On his “Healing love” Newsletter Jan –march 2010 vol 18:vol 1 titled “GOD WILL DO A NEW THING”
Page 4“During the process of dying a mysterious work of purification takes place. What I know reveal only pertains to believers. For some lying on the bed of affliction and for others undergo prolong illness. A WORK OF SANCTIFICATION (BODY AND SOUL PURIFICATION) IS ACTUALLY BEING DONE TO PERFECT THEM”
Does this mean at the last hurdle we are then made perfect through suffering rather than the finish work of the cross? Scripture says we are already made perfect not because of our own works but the finish work of Calvary. How then can any suffering make us perfect? If that was the case then suffering would make everyone ready for heaven.
Page 5 “Even the SPIRITS OF JUST MEN WHO VISIT THE EARTH ON ANGEL LIKE ASSIGNMENT are protected too by angels to prevent them from contamination
Scripture Please. Spirits of Just men are with God. There is no evidence of them being sent on assignments on the earth! This sounds more like spiritualism to me.
Page 8 “My BELIEF IS NOT CONTRARY TO WHAT IS SAID IN THE VEDAS. The Vedas is confirm to every Brahmin and Hindu that Christ is the universal saviour”
The Vedas are the oldest religious texts in Hinduism. This teaches that Hindus believe in a universal soul or God called Brahman. Brahman takes on many forms that some Hindus worship as gods or goddesses in their own right. Hindus believe that there is a part of Brahman (This is called Pantheism)in everyone and this is called the Atman. This tells us that the God of the Hindus is not the God of the Bible. One is some universal Soul While God is a triune being who is separate and distinct from his creation.
Page 6 Titled “ On how to inherit the blessings….he says “Not all the blessings are automatically granted” (6 things are mentioned) The 6 says “ FORGET THE OLD WAYS OF SEEKING GOD AND SEEING GOD DO HIS WORKS . IS 43:18 is quoted as proof “Remember ye not the former things neither consider the things of old”
This is a clear practice of ripping scripture out of context. The Old ways was the Law and the Old Testament Covenant, and the New Ways is the New Covenant. God is not doing a new NEW thing. No where are we told to forget the gospel.
Hebrews 1:1- 2 “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets. Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”
People want to go back to those old days were God spoke to people in different ways. Today God has spoken through his son. As long as we are in the same dispensation that Jesus died there can be NO knew thing outside of the gospel.
Page 6 ”This is the company of the MANIFEST SONS OF GOD that the earth has been waiting for”
Page 16 “ The days have come for this NEW BREED of people to arise
This is the language of the latter / manifest sons of God terminology. While there are certainly plenty of issues we can debate. I will leave it for those who read this to debate the issue and hopefully add extras as and when it is posted. I propose that while Sundar clearly holds to elements of these doctrines, he runs with his own peculiar slant on them.